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Old 07-02-2016, 10:20 AM
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Sorry, but I don't see any moves from anyone other then what they already are willing to do. I see that claim of sudden mass exodus as chest-thumping. Sure, there will be a small percentage of outliers, but the pilots already proved via Cujo's poll, they plan to ride it out at Envoy for the blessed flow unless another legacy gets them first or the case of some, an LCC. As for the flow to AA, IMO, most if not all the LCC's, will have better contracts then AA within a few years and AA will be the least financially lucrative airline among the other legacies and LCC's like Southwest, Jet Blue, Spirit, etc. all who will have higher narrowbody rates and better work rules and at least equal 401(k) pensions. We're going to be the "cheap seats" in 2020, IMO, so personally, I don't think the flow is as golden a ticket as most other places considering where we are and where we're going.

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Your 2nd to last sentence is my point exactly. I just don't think we are quite on the same wavelength here. The PP group won't even start flowing til mid next year at this rate. What is to keep people here from 2017-2020 if those LCC contracts are better than AA's? It's a simple business decision, and everyone will be hiring. Why stay at Envoy for the flow if one can find pastures way greener than the one at AA? As retirements pick up, the jobs simply won't take the legwork to acquire they used to or that they do now. (Please note I'm not saying Delta is going to start hiring over the phone, merely that five job fairs and 40 hrs a week volunteering plus F-14 time (also exaggerating somewhat) won't be necessary anymore)
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Old 07-02-2016, 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Jersdawg View Post
Your 2nd to last sentence is my point exactly. I just don't think we are quite on the same wavelength here. The PP group won't even start flowing til mid next year at this rate. What is to keep people here from 2017-2020 if those LCC contracts are better than AA's? It's a simple business decision, and everyone will be hiring. Why stay at Envoy for the flow if one can find pastures way greener than the one at AA? As retirements pick up, the jobs simply won't take the legwork to acquire they used to or that they do now. (Please note I'm not saying Delta is going to start hiring over the phone, merely that five job fairs and 40 hrs a week volunteering plus F-14 time (also exaggerating somewhat) won't be necessary anymore)
My points about Envoy pilots resistance to vacating involve lateral moves to other regionals. As it stands now, most PP pilots, particularly current F/O's will go now to any decent LCC's that makes an employment offer. It's been my contention AAG will make a consolidation move involving Envoy by later next year when the PP agreement becomes the new flow mechanism, but Envoy (not AAG) is just concentrating on the now. LCC's (or legacies for that matter) are not gutting Envoy yet and for now, AAG/Envoy will only do what they think will keep the engine from seizing and nothing more, hence these schemes that do virtually nothing for present Envoy pilots and are all geared to just kicking the can for awhile, which BTW Mr. Pool seems all in to help.

My condolences on that last painful point.
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Old 07-02-2016, 11:45 AM
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100 new hires in the first six months... Any one have insight into the next couple of months?
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Old 07-02-2016, 12:40 PM
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100 new hires in the first six months... Any one have insight into the next couple of months?
At least 20 per month for the next few months.
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Old 07-02-2016, 12:46 PM
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He's mad because he got fired from here and now he pretends to work at allegiant.
Allegiant is the worst of the LCCs. That's a fact. The new TA pay rates help a lot though.

At least I made a move. You just visit the other forums kicking the tires. Guess you believe in the flow. It will likely work, but take you many years longer than the pie in the sky projections of Envoy management.
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Old 07-02-2016, 12:53 PM
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Allegiant is the worst of the LCCs. That's a fact. The new TA pay rates help a lot though.

At least I made a move. You just visit the other forums kicking the tires. Guess you believe in the flow. It will likely work, but take you many years longer than the pie in the sky projections of Envoy management.
You're not an allegiant pilot and you were terminated from Envoy years ago. Thanks for playing
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Old 07-02-2016, 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by ag386 View Post
Allegiant is the worst of the LCCs. That's a fact. The new TA pay rates help a lot though.

At least I made a move. You just visit the other forums kicking the tires. Guess you believe in the flow. It will likely work, but take you many years longer than the pie in the sky projections of Envoy management.
For someone who "works" at allegiant you spend a lot of time on time on regional forums always trashing envoy. I really doubt you work at allegiant.
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Old 07-02-2016, 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by N927EV View Post
For someone who "works" at allegiant you spend a lot of time on time on regional forums always trashing envoy. I really doubt you work at allegiant.
2nd that. Eaglefly and this guy spend waytoo much time on here. You guys troll your hs Facebook page too?
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Old 07-02-2016, 01:40 PM
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So now as a new hire wanting ORD is it possible to pick between 3 aircraft now ?
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Old 07-02-2016, 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by N927EV View Post
For someone who "works" at allegiant you spend a lot of time on time on regional forums always trashing envoy. I really doubt you work at allegiant.
In the end, who cares who I work for. It's irrelevant.

What's relevant is that I'm an Envoy Truther while you are an Envoy Cheerleader with a few others on here. Or, you can call me an Envoy Basher if you like.
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