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07-04-2016 | 10:11 AM
#3791
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It's becoming increasingly clear that it's time to punch out of this place and head for greener pastures.
-The upgrade is 8 years and increasing.
-Flow is negligible/ nearly non-existent and irrelevant.
-Pay is a joke with no improvements in sight.
-Culture and morale is punitive and toxic.
-QOL/contractual violations/reserve are horrible.
-Schedules are terrible and inefficient.
FOs continue to head for the door as the company does nothing to make it worth hanging around until "flow."
-The upgrade is 8 years and increasing.
-Flow is negligible/ nearly non-existent and irrelevant.
-Pay is a joke with no improvements in sight.
-Culture and morale is punitive and toxic.
-QOL/contractual violations/reserve are horrible.
-Schedules are terrible and inefficient.
FOs continue to head for the door as the company does nothing to make it worth hanging around until "flow."
-Flow is slow due to the Letter T pilots going back to AA. Expecto to go back to the way it was after the fall slowdown.
-Pay is Ok now with the retention bonuses.
-Agreed, even thou I never had an issue with anyone here in my 6 yrs.
-Agree, even thou RSV before the BK agreement was worst in other areas.
-Agreed, AAG should give the better flying to ENY/PSA/PDT and then to the other regionals.
07-04-2016 | 10:15 AM
#3792
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FACTS
Current flow still at 15 1/2 year seniority.
Current upgrade still right around 8 years.
127 flows YTD. Not the 300-350 this year, 750 over the next two years as PROJECTED by some
Sorry but flow is more than 16 years still. Guys that just started class 2 weeks ago were feb and March 2000 hires 8 or so months from now it will still be 16years of seniority to flow when the last of the 824 go over
Envoy will try like hell to flow at least 220 pilots as that is the trigger for pilots to move up a pay step if it doesn't happen
Current flow still at 15 1/2 year seniority.
Current upgrade still right around 8 years.
127 flows YTD. Not the 300-350 this year, 750 over the next two years as PROJECTED by some
Sorry but flow is more than 16 years still. Guys that just started class 2 weeks ago were feb and March 2000 hires 8 or so months from now it will still be 16years of seniority to flow when the last of the 824 go over
Envoy will try like hell to flow at least 220 pilots as that is the trigger for pilots to move up a pay step if it doesn't happen
Also, no one cares what people are claiming how many flows are going to happen this year or next year. We only care how many actually flow and everyone I have talked to never expected 300 to flow this year. Move on with this topic.
07-04-2016 | 11:40 AM
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I don't care what the current upgrade/flow times are right now. I'm not upgrading/flowing now. If you are saying that it's going to take someone 8/16 to upgrade/flow you are an idiot.
Also, no one cares what people are claiming how many flows are going to happen this year or next year. We only care how many actually flow and everyone I have talked to never expected 300 to flow this year. Move on with this topic.
Also, no one cares what people are claiming how many flows are going to happen this year or next year. We only care how many actually flow and everyone I have talked to never expected 300 to flow this year. Move on with this topic.
I would also expect the "fall slowdown" to continue in terms of how many Envoy pilots flow in January 2017 and beyond. After all, staffing is tight. Who's going to fly the planes?
07-04-2016 | 12:05 PM
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07-04-2016 | 12:14 PM
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Check out the very first post in this thread then. One of your recruiters stated the flow is "300 this year and 750 over the next two years alone." Seems like the Sales Team is doing their best to drop these expectations.
I would also expect the "fall slowdown" to continue in terms of how many Envoy pilots flow in January 2017 and beyond. After all, staffing is tight. Who's going to fly the planes?
I would also expect the "fall slowdown" to continue in terms of how many Envoy pilots flow in January 2017 and beyond. After all, staffing is tight. Who's going to fly the planes?
The slowdown is AA training department, not recruiting.
07-04-2016 | 01:54 PM
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No, maybe is the way to entice that the E-175 is not the only plane in this company. Now someone said rumor, until is a fact nobody knows.
NH in the 175 will get a faster QOL, but they will get stuck in their relative seniority until they can upgrade. Meanwhile the NH in the E-145 and CRJ will stay a bit longer on RSV, but most of the Nh from 2010-2015 are in these two planes, making the CRJ and E-145 the faster moving lists.
NH in the 175 will get a faster QOL, but they will get stuck in their relative seniority until they can upgrade. Meanwhile the NH in the E-145 and CRJ will stay a bit longer on RSV, but most of the Nh from 2010-2015 are in these two planes, making the CRJ and E-145 the faster moving lists.
07-04-2016 | 02:03 PM
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