Lol why are you always wanting a "source"? Would a point be more valid if it was prefaced with "I heard from someone...."?

 

Think about it. This is an internet site with people just post things that are questionable if it really is correct or not. All company and union emails I have received do not match up with what has been posted here. Whether it's a rosey garden or a pile of manure, what is being told on this thread is not an accurate account of this corporation. People posting saying, I'll PM the truth, or just posting numbers without proof isn't really going to help anyone.

 

Excellent advice. I think that aside from extreme bias of some here that will lead to a strong risk of slanted "information" being given them, information received BY them is at risk to be used improperly considering some of the tactics in play in luring pilots to Envoy. There's a lot of creativity shall we say, in what's being represented about Envoy these days along with a strong effort by some to censor and suppress that which doesn't serve their interests. As I've said before and it's now more appropriate then ever, CAVEAT EMPTOR, as salesmen are on the prowl.

 

I don't care who he is, but I'd like to know how he got fired. I've been talking to a couple people that have been down to the schoolhouse lately and it takes a LOT to get fired these days. Whether it's training screw ups or dumb stuff flying the line you'll get in trouble, but not fired. One of the quickest ways to get the company's attention I've seen is to post something identifiable and nasty about the company, especially if it has your name and pictures of our aircraft attached.

 

I consider this poster a model student. He's an Envoy Captain and can offer excellent advice to prospective new hires. To echo what this poster and others have said, there are some here with an axe to grind and don't even work at Envoy.

 

Just because people claim things on this forum, doesn't make them true. I don't know 386's history and what makes you certain others do ?

 

A model student ?

Are you saying he finished at the top of your sales class ?

I think VERY few pilots view Envoy by what they read on these forums alone, if at all. The REAL information they get is actually talking to Envoy pilots they know who work or worked at Envoy and IMO, THAT is where Envoy's recruitment problems arise from. From my experience, most of the "soldiers" of Envoy out there aren't giving a very glowing review of Envoy and a lot of it has to do with treatment and not just frustration with inflated flow/upgrade claims. That's what I hear when I talk to them and I make an effort at every opportunity if I come in contact with one I don't even know.

I never ask leading questions and just ask "what is the latest" or "how is life....", etc. The answers in virtually all cases run along similar lines.

That's just been my experience and YMMV.

 

Yes, a model student. Because of his attitude. It's readily apparent that he views Envoy as a place that has a few problems. However, the benefits far outweigh any negatives here. He will be sitting in an AA cockpit soon while people like ag386 on the outside are desperately trying to get hired at any legacy. I find your posts nothing more than the bitter musings of an old man. One who slipped through to AA when you know you never would have been hired off the street. Why don't you take your negativity elsewhere and let this thread be productive for Envoy pilots and those looking for a career at Envoy/AA.

 

Now this right here is funny. DAMN funny and I salute you !

In one sentence you trumpet how deserving present and future Envoy pilots will get a career at Envoy/AA implying the flow-thru process is a respectable one to take and then in another denigrate it as an evasive tool for those pilots to "slip through" ostensibly because they are unworthy of individual advancement who cannot get hired otherwise. Then, you buttress that as my questioning of inflated claims about Envoy by you and others (which have proven correct BTW) to be nothing more then the "bitter musing of an old man".

Jesus, if that doesn't reek to high heaven of anger and sour grapes, nothing does. I have to say, it sure is amusing to a bitter old man like myself and actually perked up my morning quite nicely to see you, a bitter middle-aged man revert to such emotion based illogical contradictions and for that I again salute you !

The CRJ-700 is one of the prettiest jets when it flies in circles.

 

Silence is telling.

And like I said, I don't care who he is. He went to Allegiant and doesn't work here anymore, I consider that more relevant. Fired on top of that? Then that's another reason to not listen to him.

Why isn't he here trying to help other people get hired at Allegiant? Why isn't he saying how great it is? Why isn't he trying to help people into a better position? Instead he just b****es and moans. If I got hired elsewhere you bet your a** I'd be here helping people out and not wasting my time being a ***k about my former employer.