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Old 12-08-2015 | 11:04 AM
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Aag and envoy management does not see it that way. They see it through rose colored glasses after a couple of hits on the medical marijuana they get issued every day to top executives. (Just an observation)
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Old 12-08-2015 | 11:07 AM
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Stabilized in fleet size, as the 175s are replacements and eventually growth, combined with normal attrition and half of all AA new hires are envoy pilots, you will have movement.
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Old 12-08-2015 | 11:21 AM
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Currently overstaffed, more people leaving than are currently being hired. The numbers seem to work, provided they can find enough new hires. I don't really see 2.5 yr upgrade from when the letter came out, but if they get close, I'll be happy. I have no doubt there will be lots of movement, I just hope management can handle it.
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Old 12-08-2015 | 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by use2fly
Currently overstaffed, more people leaving than are currently being hired. The numbers seem to work, provided they can find enough new hires. I don't really see 2.5 yr upgrade from when the letter came out, but if they get close, I'll be happy. I have no doubt there will be lots of movement, I just hope management can handle it.
Ya. 2.5 seems a bit too good to be true. I think envoy has attractive traits such as stability, good bases, flow and the people there seem friendly.!
I'm just not sure if I should cast my lot somewhere with quicker movement. But I do feel as though once somewhere is identified as any of the big "buzz words" (quick upgrade, fast movement, etc.) it is already too saturated to benefit from any of those things. Maybe envoy has not yet reached that point...
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Old 12-08-2015 | 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by waker92
Ya. 2.5 seems a bit too good to be true. I think envoy has attractive traits such as stability, good bases, flow and the people there seem friendly.!
I'm just not sure if I should cast my lot somewhere with quicker movement. But I do feel as though once somewhere is identified as any of the big "buzz words" (quick upgrade, fast movement, etc.) it is already too saturated to benefit from any of those things. Maybe envoy has not yet reached that point...
Ha, say what you will about about envoy, but that last statement is definitely true.
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Old 12-08-2015 | 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by waker92
Can someone try and explain how, envoy advertises growth and movement to candidates, and new hires; despite the fact they are downsizing? I'm confused on this.
How dare you.
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Old 12-08-2015 | 03:27 PM
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There's minimal movement right now. Large scale upward movement is possible, but management needs to get their shiz in gear if it's going to happen. If it happens IMO it's not going to start until mid- to late 2016. Yes, downsizing is still in the plan, which may be part of the reason management is so slow to shift gears. We're still fat on pilots. No surprise they're dragging their feet, really; this company operates on stamping out fires after they've started, not on preventing them in the first place.
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Old 12-08-2015 | 03:47 PM
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Your to kind, management don't put the fires out after they started them, they just let them burn out on there own.
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Old 12-08-2015 | 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by AdiosMikeFox
There's minimal movement right now. Large scale upward movement is possible, but management needs to get their shiz in gear if it's going to happen. If it happens IMO it's not going to start until mid- to late 2016. Yes, downsizing is still in the plan, which may be part of the reason management is so slow to shift gears. We're still fat on pilots. No surprise they're dragging their feet, really; this company operates on stamping out fires after they've started, not on preventing them in the first place.
They have to start upgrading people. Flows goes one day, upgrades need time to go to training.

But, this is normal here.

Things will start moving fast starting next month.
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Old 12-08-2015 | 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by buddies8
Your to kind, management don't put the fires out after they started them, they just let them burn out on there own.
Sure they do. They use our paychecks and QOL to stamp out fires all the time.
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