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Old 10-28-2016 | 06:23 PM
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So, this is a little off topic, but I would value (most) of the opinions on the matter.

I was given the pre-employment offer one week ago today. Got a call back today saying I didn't have enough time in the last 12 months. I asked how much more I would need, he said he'd ask and get back to me.

In as few words as possible, other than 2.6 hours flown with a CFI locally two weeks ago (got signed off on), I have zero flight time in ~3 years. I have ~500 hours of 135 time in a Caravan back in 2008. Built a lot of 172 time between 2009 and 2013.

I asked him about alternatives to paying for flight time since it wouldn't be relevant at all to 121 flying (other than getting my IPC signed off on, which I will still do regardless). I was told that the most relevant thing to show would be completion of a 121 ground school course. Other than that, good luck finding a 135 operation with no contract to build ~100 hours and bail.

So do I go to a 121 with no contract and complete ground school and jump ship (and feel like a huge d0uche the whole way through), or do I seek alternatives? My first reaction is to not burn a bridge, EVER. But then again, we all know an airline or two that may or may not deserve it. ><

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Old 10-28-2016 | 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by cbrpilot
So, this is a little off topic, but I would value (most) of the opinions on the matter.

I was given the pre-employment offer one week ago today. Got a call back today saying I didn't have enough time in the last 12 months. I asked how much more I would need, he said he'd ask and get back to me.

In as few words as possible, other than 2.6 hours flown with a CFI locally two weeks ago (got signed off on), I have zero flight time in ~3 years. I have ~500 hours of 135 time in a Caravan back in 2008. Built a lot of 172 time between 2009 and 2013.

I asked him about alternatives to paying for flight time since it wouldn't be relevant at all to 121 flying (other than getting my IPC signed off on, which I will still do regardless). I was told that the most relevant thing to show would be completion of a 121 ground school course. Other than that, good luck finding a 135 operation with no contract to build ~100 hours and bail.

So do I go to a 121 with no contract and complete ground school and jump ship (and feel like a huge d0uche the whole way through), or do I seek alternatives? My first reaction is to not burn a bridge, EVER. But then again, we all know an airline or two that may or may not deserve it. ><

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Personally, I wouldn't start off going to another regional and then quitting. Wait to hear back from them on what they need. It may not be a big deal. If it is, go to your second choice and stay there and build time. Last choice....Mesa....they'll hire you. We had a guy in our class that hadn't flown in a long time.
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Old 10-29-2016 | 06:10 AM
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EDIT: not from me, but from someone in this most recent indoc class:


"Heads up everyone:

This week during indoc class there was a guy watching a YouTube video on the start procedure for the 175. There was also an FAA rep sitting at the back of the class all week that told all of the students "I'm strictly here as an observer of the teacher for the week. Don't worry guys, I'm not here to observe you all." The FAA rep and another classmate were CONSTANTLY interrupting and making jokes and being disruptive and loud, and quite frankly disrespectful to the instructor.

... everyone got back from lunch and apparently instead of telling the pilot that he should be paying attention in class, the FAA rep called the dallas area FAA office and filed a report against the classmate for gross misconduct.

Another pilot asked the rep why he couldn't simply talk to the pilot and his response was that he "wasn't allowed to interact with any of the students, it would be going against procedure."
(Apparently being disruptive during an indoc class is okay though)


Just a heads up guys. Don't give anyone a reason to tarnish your record!!!

(Part of me was worried to even post this. Who knows what someone can get in trouble for these days?)"
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Old 10-29-2016 | 07:15 AM
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Really wasn't a cool deal. Left a very bad, slightly betrayed feeling in the class.
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Old 10-29-2016 | 07:24 AM
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SOP. Get used to it here. It certainly won't be the last.


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Old 10-29-2016 | 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Tom Kazansky
EDIT: not from me, but from someone in this most recent indoc class:


"Heads up everyone:

This week during indoc class there was a guy watching a YouTube video on the start procedure for the 175. There was also an FAA rep sitting at the back of the class all week that told all of the students "I'm strictly here as an observer of the teacher for the week. Don't worry guys, I'm not here to observe you all." The FAA rep and another classmate were CONSTANTLY interrupting and making jokes and being disruptive and loud, and quite frankly disrespectful to the instructor.

... everyone got back from lunch and apparently instead of telling the pilot that he should be paying attention in class, the FAA rep called the dallas area FAA office and filed a report against the classmate for gross misconduct.

Another pilot asked the rep why he couldn't simply talk to the pilot and his response was that he "wasn't allowed to interact with any of the students, it would be going against procedure."
(Apparently being disruptive during an indoc class is okay though)


Just a heads up guys. Don't give anyone a reason to tarnish your record!!!

(Part of me was worried to even post this. Who knows what someone can get in trouble for these days?)"
Thats some BS.. We had one in ours doing the same crap. Interrupting to the point the instructor said something.
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Old 10-29-2016 | 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by highflyer1980
SOP. Get used to it here. It certainly won't be the last.
Part of me understands that he shouldn't have been watching YouTube videos during class... however, there were easily many ways he could have gone about correcting the action without being a d***. On top of cackling nonstop and keeping the students from being able to study.
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Old 10-29-2016 | 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Tom Kazansky
Part of me understands that he shouldn't have been watching YouTube videos during class... however, there were easily many ways he could have gone about correcting the action without being a d***. On top of cackling nonstop and keeping the students from being able to study.
So what was the issue? Watching YouTube videos or being disruptive? There's always at least one in each class (new hire and recurrent) who has to make a remark about everything, always gets into discussions about obscure procedures, etc...

It's annoying and eye rolling but to have an FAA "observer" report him seems a bit much.
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Old 10-29-2016 | 11:59 AM
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I was jump seating on an Airbus and an FAA guy had the center jumpseat. He was really friendly, put his cell number on his biz card. I thought....man, I have a friend at the FAA. This post reinforced my concern with regard to his kindness... Never let you're guard and professionalism down regardless of how nice and helpful they seem. They have a job to do and may use creative tactics to reveal issues. Never!!
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Old 10-29-2016 | 12:36 PM
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So the FAA rep was actually the one being disruptive him/herself?



Originally Posted by Tom Kazansky
Part of me understands that he shouldn't have been watching YouTube videos during class... however, there were easily many ways he could have gone about correcting the action without being a d***. On top of cackling nonstop and keeping the students from being able to study.
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