As a senior(ish) FO who is not seeing as much from this as the new hires, I'm happy for them. $25/hr was not bringing anyone in the door. New hires are needed with all the senior guys flowing to AA. If this doesn't work, or when this stops working, I'm sure they'll do more. AA needs the lift we provide and they'll do what's needed to get pilots here.

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175 DFW has been about 2 months of reserve for new hires after training. DFW 145 last month went up significantly to 2.5 years due to a big reduction of hard lines for September. That is our most senior status by far. With all the upgrades scheduled over the next few months though and FO's leaving DFW 145 to the left seat, this will start to drop very quickly.

Once flows get moving full speed again now that the AA recall deferral process is finally over, movement will pickup rapidly again losing 30+ a month off the top. Although the reserve time is rediculous for the pilots stuck there the last couple years throughout our stagnation and shrinkage period with virtually no hiring into the 145 DFW, a new hire today will move MUCH quicker than they did. For someone hired today, it would probably be 6 months or less by then. 6 months from now, nobody will be on reserve very long.

 

What's the rate for steps 4 and 5 of the current payscale?

 

I usually am awarded about 88-90 credit hours/month with 16 days of work.

 

So four 4-day trips a month with 14-15 days off a month? Skywest I presume? If so I would kill for your min calendar day credit.

 

Absolutely, Now three of the biggest pilot groups have set the bar at 50-60K per year for new hires. Everyone else better get onboard or your classes will be empty.

 

Envoy Pilot Recruitment 972-374-5607 [email protected]

FOR RELEASE: September 14, 2016

ENVOY AIR NOW OFFERS INDUSTRY-LEADING PAY FOR PILOTS New Hire Starting Pay Up 47% – Retention Bonuses Extended to All Pilots

IRVING, Texas, September 14, 2016 – Envoy Air Inc., a wholly owned subsidiary of American Airlines Group, announced today that it will nearly double the starting rate of pay for new hires, to nearly $38 per hour – effectively starting new hire pilots on Step 3 of the Envoy pilot pay scale. This means that Envoy First Officers can earn $58,000 or more in their first year on the job.

The carrier will also increase the pay rates for existing First Officers during their first three years with the airline – and expand its existing First Officer Retention Bonus of $20,000 to apply to all new hires and existing First Officers who do not already participate in the program. New hire pilots who choose to fly Envoy’s legacy fleet will now receive $20,000 at signing.

“Envoy’s new industry-leading starting pay – along with our up to $20,000 signing bonus, $20,000 First Officer retention bonus and guaranteed flow-through to American Airlines, without any further interview – means our pilots will be among the most highly compensated in the industry,” said Ric Wilson, Vice President Flight Operations. “Now, and throughout their flying career.”
Envoy introduced a $20,000 First Officer Retention bonus earlier this year for pilots already on payroll. Today’s announcement expands that program to include any First Officers currently flying for Envoy who did not already qualify for the bonus – as well as all new hires. Under the expanded program, pilots will receive $2,500 quarterly, following completion of one year of service.
Captains at Envoy, who are already well on their way to a guaranteed job at American Airlines, will also be eligible to receive a $7,500 retention bonus, payable in three $2,500 increments.
Envoy Air Announces Industry-leading Pay for Pilots September 14, 2016
“Our ability to attract and retain the most talented pilots has been critical to our success,” added Wilson. “Hiring more new pilots allows us to compete for additional flying. And it provides swifter career progression for our First Officers looking to upgrade to Captain, and our Captains who are in line to flow-through to the mainline.”

In addition to pay and bonuses, Envoy offers an unmatched total compensation package, including:
o American Airlines Group Profit Sharing
o 401(k) Plan with company match
o Free personal travel on American’s global network
o Life, health and disability benefits
o Preferred crew bases in Dallas/Fort Worth and Chicago, with paid hotels for
training and commuting
o Generous commuter policy
o Company paid iPads, Global Entry/TSA Pre-Check
o Free membership into the Known Crewmember (KCM) program to speed you
through security
o A direct career path to a flying career with American Airlines without any
additional interview required

The new pay rates and bonuses are effective immediately. For details and to apply, see Pilots | Envoy Air. Or call Envoy Pilot Recruitment at (972) 374-5607 and speak to a recruiter today!
About Envoy

Envoy Air Inc., a wholly owned subsidiary of American Airlines Group, operates 150 aircraft on about 800 daily flights to more than 150 destinations throughout the United States, Canada and Mexico. The company’s more than 14,000 employees provide regional flight service to American Airlines under the American Eagle brand and ground handling services for many American Airlines Group flights. The company was founded in 1998, as American Eagle Airlines, Inc., following the merger of several smaller regional carriers to create one of the largest regional airlines in the world. Envoy is headquartered in Irving, Texas, with hubs in Dallas/Fort Worth and Chicago and large ground handling operations in Los Angeles, Miami and New York. Envoy is currently adding 40 spacious Embraer 175 aircraft to its fleet, with options for up to 90 more.
About American Airlines Group
American Airlines and American Eagle offer an average of nearly 6,700 flights per day to nearly 350 destinations in more than 50 countries. American has hubs in Charlotte, Chicago, Dallas/Fort Worth, Los Angeles, Miami, New York, Philadelphia, Phoenix, and Washington, D.C. American is a founding member of the oneworld alliance, whose members serve nearly 1,000 destinations with 14,250 daily flights to over 150 countries. Shares of American Airlines Group Inc. trade on Nasdaq under the ticker symbol AAL. In 2015, its stock joined the S&P 500 index. Connect with American on Twitter @AmericanAir and at Facebook.com/AmericanAirlines.

 

Yeah I'm at Skywest. There's good at bad at both but I'm glad you guys got a raise. Pay increase at any regional is a win for everyone.

 

Do you also include the historical "facts" in your decision which caused the delays for our current pilots over the past 15 years, things like 9/11, around a decade of furloughs and zero hiring at AA. Flowbacks from AA to Eagle, The economy tanking, the mandatory retirement age 60 changed to age 65, AMR filing Bankruptcy, Furloughs, the Merger with USair which led to our shrinkage? These things are what CAUSED the long upgrade/flow numbers to be inflated for "current" long term pilots that happened to be here throughout all those downturn years and were hired 5-15 years ago.

Unless you plan on the Major airline hiring to totally collapse all over again in the next 5-8 years, the current high upgrade/flow numbers some of us have endured over the past decade mean NOTHING to a new hire starting today in a totally different environment with massive retirements cranking up.

 

You're right. Call it what you will, that's how they're basing their decisions. It seems backwards to the existing 121 guys, but we're not the ones looking to start a career.