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Old 12-11-2018 | 06:28 PM
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After the Dec 2018 flows are accounted for, what is the hire date of the Jan 2019 flows?
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Old 12-11-2018 | 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by TransWorld
After the Dec 2018 flows are accounted for, what is the hire date of the Jan 2019 flows?
2008. The last 2008 hire should flow in February. The 2010 hires should be done by May and all of the 2011 hires should be gone by the end of 2019. That's assuming AA hires at the same rate they did in 2018.

From 2012-2014 there's only 135 pilots still on the list. At 15 per month that group will take 9 months. There are 74 pilots still on the list hired in 2015 so that group would take another 4 months. If AA hiring continues, 2020 is the year you see the flow times really fall.

There's no attrition accounted for in those numbers or any pause in AA's new hire classes. A change in either of those variables could push the flow time forward or back.
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Old 12-11-2018 | 07:10 PM
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Word on the street is AA hiring for 2019 is forecast a bit higher than 2018, 1,000 hires vs. 940 hires.

Mandatory retirements will be 637 vs. 538. By 2023 it reaches 957 mandatory retirements.
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Old 12-11-2018 | 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by go skers
...There are 74 pilots still on the list hired in 2015 so that group would take another 4 months. If AA hiring continues, 2020 is the year you see the flow times really fall.

There's no attrition accounted for in those numbers or any pause in AA's new hire classes...
That agrees with my crystal ball. I have predicted for several years the majors will be hiring 1 in 5 regional pilots every year, starting in 2021 or so.

Flows of 5 years will not be a drawing card when the average regional pilot gets hired by the majors in 5 years. (A guaranteed hire will still have some attraction, but to a lesser degree.)

The world of regionals will change at that point; radically, and for the better for pilots.
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Old 12-12-2018 | 07:09 AM
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Shouldn't the bid packets be out yet?
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Old 12-12-2018 | 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Pedro4President
Shouldn't the bid packets be out yet?
That's what I was thinking...
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Old 12-12-2018 | 09:07 AM
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What outlandish rumors should we start based on this?

Closing Miami? Merger? CRJ displacements?
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Old 12-12-2018 | 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by BigZ
This year attrition was showing at 200
Lets say all of it above you year 1 and none of it last year, so the average of 100 pilots a year.
We know it should take about a year to flow the remaining PP, so that's a year.
Another year to flow DOS at 15 a month - another year.
If you're #2200 to flow (sound about right for a NH?), then it is
X = 2 + (2000 - 500 - 100X)/12*20
Or
X = 5.82 years (or thereabouts, I'm not good at math)
So about 6 years to flow all things remaining constant.
I am still skeptical of your attrition term. I tried to come up with an equation myself but there are just too many variables not to go with an average estimate like you did. Then I had the bright idea to compare the seniority list from two years ago and see how many pilots left above and below me the first and second year I was hear. Not a pure way of knowing the future, but at least hard evidence of past trends. It then I couldn’t find any old seniority lists because I didn’t save but one and it’s not old enough. The ALPA website only has the latest one. Does anyone have any seniority lists going back a couple years?
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Old 12-12-2018 | 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by NoValueAviator
What outlandish rumors should we start based on this?

Closing Miami? Merger? CRJ displacements?
Opening LAX?
Or we are finally getting stapled to the AA seniority list.

(and yes, that was a joke).
Bid packet for Jan is out btw.
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Old 12-12-2018 | 10:09 AM
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So in the DFW 175 bid packet looks like we start doing DFW-BOI overnights and DFW-GEG turns
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