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12-10-2018, 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Vne469
Or you could always do a YouTube series just showing the apps and DECS. Don’t even have to show your face or ‘nothin. Unless you want that sweet Envoy fame.
https://youtu.be/3RF8NrGce_k
12-11-2018, 05:03 AM
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I don't know about that chart "Years of Service at Flow". It's just like the 2.5 upgrade and sub 6 year flow RW predicted in May 2016. It won't happen unless the flow through increases for post protected pilots. The 2.5/6 would never of happened without the pay bump Envoy gave NHs in Fall of 2016.
I could see the projections working but not at the status quo we have now. The closer pilots are to flowing the less likely they are going to leave. Attrition at the top isn't going to be as much as they are calculating.
I could see the projections working but not at the status quo we have now. The closer pilots are to flowing the less likely they are going to leave. Attrition at the top isn't going to be as much as they are calculating.
12-11-2018, 06:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Pedro4President
I don't know about that chart "Years of Service at Flow". It's just like the 2.5 upgrade and sub 6 year flow RW predicted in May 2016. It won't happen unless the flow through increases for post protected pilots. The 2.5/6 would never of happened without the pay bump Envoy gave NHs in Fall of 2016.
I could see the projections working but not at the status quo we have now. The closer pilots are to flowing the less likely they are going to leave. Attrition at the top isn't going to be as much as they are calculating.
I could see the projections working but not at the status quo we have now. The closer pilots are to flowing the less likely they are going to leave. Attrition at the top isn't going to be as much as they are calculating.
RW said in one of his recent Q and As that the company is planning on people hired now will flow in 4 1/2 years. That is a planning number that they at least are not advertising. He didn’t say how they come up with that. The union page indicates new hires at about 8 3/4 years or almost twice as long. Quite a disparity. And I don’t see how they can possibly come up with those numbers. Like you said that would take a lot of non flows and outside flow attrition or Envoy increasing the flow. As much as they have fought and drug their feet to keep the flow down, I just don’t see that happening either. I would like to see it happen, but I just don’t think so.
12-11-2018, 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by pitchattitude
RW said in one of his recent Q and As that the company is planning on people hired now will flow in 4 1/2 years. That is a planning number that they at least are not advertising.
12-11-2018, 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by ParkingatMIA
I thought flow was going to be metered to 15 after the protracted pilots? How is the projection still 300+ pilots for next year?
The last protected pilot is expected to flow in DEC 2019 according to the alpa seniority list.
12-11-2018, 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by pitchattitude
RW said in one of his recent Q and As that the company is planning on people hired now will flow in 4 1/2 years.
12-11-2018, 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Houpilot2001
Interesting to say the least, especially since I'm still 4.5 years out and have been here for 2 years. And theres over 1500 pilots junior to me.
Nov 2016 hires are showing a flow date of Jan or feb 2022.
12-11-2018, 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Houpilot2001
Interesting to say the least, especially since I'm still 4.5 years out and have been here for 2 years. And theres over 1500 pilots junior to me.
12-11-2018, 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by havick206
How are you still 4.5 years out if you’ve been here for 2 years?
Nov 2016 hires are showing a flow date of Jan or feb 2022.
Nov 2016 hires are showing a flow date of Jan or feb 2022.
12-11-2018, 09:49 AM
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Sure, if everyone on the seniority list flowed, it'd be ~9 years for a new hire today. However, attrition is the huge unknown. Envoy has been losing 15-20 pilots a month from attrition this past year ... however, the hiring wave at the majors is just kicking off. With American, Delta, United, FedEx, UPS, and all the LCCs hiring en masse, it's likely outside attrition will increase. Future attrition + projected flow = ???
That said, the industry will look so different in 3 years, let alone 9 years, so don't come to Envoy for the flow. It's an insurance policy at best.
That said, the industry will look so different in 3 years, let alone 9 years, so don't come to Envoy for the flow. It's an insurance policy at best.
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