Originally Posted by Inop2

A request for all Envoy Pilots -

PLEASE PM ME WITH YOUR COMMENTS!*****

As you know the learning curve after training and IOE is steep. DECS, getting up to speed on ACARS, proffering, bidding, hotel reservations, programs, phone numbers, apps, etc, etc. While much of the information is documented somewhere it's not consolidated and handed down by pilots in the crew room. That's good, but sometimes not an option.

Please visit afterioe.com. It's just a 1st version and your constructive comments are welcomed! This site is intended to be a video-based educational resource outside of the aircraft, not a replacement for Envoy's FM-1, AOM's and other documents or for that matter another opinion-based site like APC.

To gain access, use the DFW crew room door code. All good ideas will be added and credited to the provider.

Also - I'm looking for a Check Airmen that would be willing to participate with email and as a subject matter expert.

***** PLEASE PM ME WITH YOUR COMMENTS!*****

Thank you!

Originally Posted by Purpleanga

Yea for you now. New guys won't be getting online now.

Originally Posted by tattooguy21

As someone interested in Envoy, after having read through the thread, the "aircraft" seniority recently mentioned was a bit of a surprise.

I also see a lot of back and forth on here regarding the reality of how soon one can become a lineholder at Dallas. There have to be numbers somewhere that shows the amount of time on reserves prior to being assigned a line at each base for both FOs and CPTs? Right?

If I'm offered a job at Envoy, my decision to accept is based off of two things; can I get Dallas out the gate and how quickly can I hold line there.

The other locations are so unaffordable and undesirable that I'm not willing to take my family anywhere near them. And commuting, while good for some, isn't the way I'm going. I already live in the middle of nowhere (about to retire from the military) where commuting would be a (at best) 13 hour endeavor each way after car rides are thrown in. As such, I'd just move for the new job. Hence all this.

Can anyone provide those real number, that I know exist, on how long long it takes to hold a line at each of the bases?

Originally Posted by Techpilot88

This is such an awesome idea. I am really looking forward to reading this.

Originally Posted by bigtime209

The reason there is back and forth regarding time on RSV is because while yes, there are numbers somewhere on what RSV time has been like up until now, there are a lot of moving pieces and in the coming months it's likely to look very different. We're trying to explain that to prospective new hires because someone looking at Envoy today won't come online until summer/fall. By summer, we will have had all of our 175s delivered and staffed. By summer, we will have taken back all of the 145s from XJT that were sent there. So say you got hired and started class on the 175 in May. Would you care that a guy that was hired back in December held a line in 2 months? Would it matter when there are no more guys hired in below you, keeping you at the bottom of the RSV list for the foreseeable future? Either way...RSV on the 175 has been 2-3 months as of late and DFW 145 has been around 18 months. But like I said, expect that to look vastly different by summer and the months after.

Originally Posted by bigtime209

Would you care that a guy that was hired back in December held a line in 2 months?

Originally Posted by tattooguy21

Excellent point. As such, I guess the appropriate question to ask during interviews are 1) projected hiring for the foreseeable future and 2) projected inbound aircraft type/numbers/bases?

With that being said, what's the responsibility of HR to be forthright when being asked about this stuff? They're not unlike a used car salesman correct? Whatever gets you to enter into the contract, that's what they're going to tell you?

Originally Posted by bigtime209

Unless things have changed, HR portion of the interview is done by line pilots who work in the recruiting department. They're good people and will be honest as forthright as they can. You can ask anything and they'll give you the best answer they can. The problem is, they only have so much information about projected inbound aircraft and bases. And going a step further, not even Envoy management has all of the answers about the future when it comes to aircraft and future bases. AAG's plans for its various carriers change on a regular basis. The latest development with AWAC has seriously thrown a kink in AAG's plans on how they deploy its various carriers. So bottom line, in the interview the guys will give you as much as they can. But if they don't know something, they aren't trying to deflect. They don't know and even management may not know.

Originally Posted by 402FreightDog

It's (usually) not that they're not telling the truth. The truth is is that the truth changes.