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09-21-2017 | 03:30 AM
#4411
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They're probably playing the long game and trying to lock in as many cadet instructors now once the pool of currently qualified applicants dries up in the next 2-3 years. It also sounds like they're hedging their bets each way by trying to entice 121 guys in the interim.
Just a guess but I could be wrong.
Just a guess but I could be wrong.
I'm sure they want the 121 folks to switch teams, upgrade quickly, and flow/move on to AA. Remember, AA likely has a hand in Envoy's strategic moves since they are already working the long-term pilot issue as well. Without people who are quickly upgradable (and experienced 121 operators...likely helps with safety and pass rate), Envoy may risk not have the captains necessary to man planes. That would mean slowing or stagnant growth as AA places flying elsewhere. It looks to be like the "third group" (non-cadet/non-121) could actually benefit from any increase in lateral transfers.
09-21-2017 | 03:48 AM
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Just show up to class and get your number. In class seniority doesn't matter that much. In a few years or days many of your classmates will have moved on to different opportunities and it is all very dynamic. Just get your seniority ball rolling. Initial bids should not dictates one decision to come to Envoy or not
09-21-2017 | 04:53 AM
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One other problem for the older guys that no one is talking about. When you flow, that 22 year old will now be senior to you at AA. You'll never outbid him before you retire. You're running classes of 50+ per month. You didn't need to tweak anything to get people in the door.
09-21-2017 | 05:03 AM
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I have been flying long enough and had my fun flying the cool new jets. I've learned, as I hope those younger than me will learn quickly, don't chase the equipment. Chase the QOL. With a family and responsibilities here in south Florida I wanted the 145 to stay close to family. I want (almost need) MIA as soon as possible. I chose Envoy for the bases, upgrade time, and bonus. A plane is a plane is a plane, makes no difference IMHO.
09-21-2017 | 05:08 AM
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One other problem for the older guys that no one is talking about. When you flow, that 22 year old will now be senior to you at AA. You'll never outbid him before you retire. You're running classes of 50+ per month. You didn't need to tweak anything to get people in the door.
09-21-2017 | 06:21 AM
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Understandable.. I can tell you I am in the next class there is 6 cadets and 10 121 guys. The class size is 67 ( From what I was told). That leaves 51 people in group three and I can’t imagine there would be that many CRJ slots. If MIA was your goal I think you would still be able to get the 145 assuming you aren’t in your early 20s.
I agree with you on everything else. The 175 scares me with it being new to the company and the recruiter today told me that 80 FOs and 80 Captains will be going to ORD. The recruiter also mentioned that the company was going to try and avoid displacements, but we all know how this industry works.
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I agree with you on everything else. The 175 scares me with it being new to the company and the recruiter today told me that 80 FOs and 80 Captains will be going to ORD. The recruiter also mentioned that the company was going to try and avoid displacements, but we all know how this industry works.
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The only way they can kick you out of DFW is if they offer a displacement and NO ONE thinks that is going to happen soon.
Also, I'll believe 67 when I see it. That's a large number and I doubt we will ever reach it. I also doubted we would see a sub 6month upgrade.
09-21-2017 | 06:49 AM
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Just so you know if you are 175 DFW and they open up 175 ORD it doesn't mean the company can switch your base... permanently. It would only be a one month temporary assignment with 24/7 per diem and hotel every night of the month.
The only way they can kick you out of DFW is if they offer a displacement and NO ONE thinks that is going to happen soon.
Also, I'll believe 67 when I see it. That's a large number and I doubt we will ever reach it. I also doubted we would see a sub 6month upgrade.
The only way they can kick you out of DFW is if they offer a displacement and NO ONE thinks that is going to happen soon.
Also, I'll believe 67 when I see it. That's a large number and I doubt we will ever reach it. I also doubted we would see a sub 6month upgrade.
Awesome I did not know about the temporary assignment thing. Thank you for that info!
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09-21-2017 | 07:27 AM
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Ahhh so it's location, not the bird itself. Thanks for the clarification!
Absolutely not, most of my experience is in Bombardier aircraft. The only issue with the CRJ is you are land locked to ORD. If I lived in Chicago or anywhere close, I would be all about it. Hence why I said I would be able to get to DFW at some point in my previous post.
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09-21-2017 | 07:29 AM
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09-21-2017 | 07:37 AM
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