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09-21-2017, 03:48 AM
#4411
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Joined APC: Mar 2007
Position: EMB145 CA
Posts: 484
Just show up to class and get your number. In class seniority doesn't matter that much. In a few years or days many of your classmates will have moved on to different opportunities and it is all very dynamic. Just get your seniority ball rolling. Initial bids should not dictates one decision to come to Envoy or not
09-21-2017, 04:53 AM
#4412
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Joined APC: Jan 2014
Posts: 674
Originally Posted by itsmytime
One other problem for the older guys that no one is talking about. When you flow, that 22 year old will now be senior to you at AA. You'll never outbid him before you retire. You're running classes of 50+ per month. You didn't need to tweak anything to get people in the door.
09-21-2017, 05:03 AM
#4413
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Joined APC: Mar 2017
Posts: 184
Originally Posted by GymPilot
I have been flying long enough and had my fun flying the cool new jets. I've learned, as I hope those younger than me will learn quickly, don't chase the equipment. Chase the QOL. With a family and responsibilities here in south Florida I wanted the 145 to stay close to family. I want (almost need) MIA as soon as possible. I chose Envoy for the bases, upgrade time, and bonus. A plane is a plane is a plane, makes no difference IMHO.
09-21-2017, 05:08 AM
#4414
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Joined APC: Mar 2017
Posts: 184
Originally Posted by itsmytime
One other problem for the older guys that no one is talking about. When you flow, that 22 year old will now be senior to you at AA. You'll never outbid him before you retire. You're running classes of 50+ per month. You didn't need to tweak anything to get people in the door.
09-21-2017, 06:21 AM
#4415
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Joined APC: May 2016
Posts: 1,609
Originally Posted by Sheg0theD
Understandable.. I can tell you I am in the next class there is 6 cadets and 10 121 guys. The class size is 67 ( From what I was told). That leaves 51 people in group three and I can’t imagine there would be that many CRJ slots. If MIA was your goal I think you would still be able to get the 145 assuming you aren’t in your early 20s.
I agree with you on everything else. The 175 scares me with it being new to the company and the recruiter today told me that 80 FOs and 80 Captains will be going to ORD. The recruiter also mentioned that the company was going to try and avoid displacements, but we all know how this industry works.
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I agree with you on everything else. The 175 scares me with it being new to the company and the recruiter today told me that 80 FOs and 80 Captains will be going to ORD. The recruiter also mentioned that the company was going to try and avoid displacements, but we all know how this industry works.
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The only way they can kick you out of DFW is if they offer a displacement and NO ONE thinks that is going to happen soon.
Also, I'll believe 67 when I see it. That's a large number and I doubt we will ever reach it. I also doubted we would see a sub 6month upgrade.
09-21-2017, 06:49 AM
#4416
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Joined APC: Sep 2017
Posts: 412
Originally Posted by Pedro4President
Just so you know if you are 175 DFW and they open up 175 ORD it doesn't mean the company can switch your base... permanently. It would only be a one month temporary assignment with 24/7 per diem and hotel every night of the month.
The only way they can kick you out of DFW is if they offer a displacement and NO ONE thinks that is going to happen soon.
Also, I'll believe 67 when I see it. That's a large number and I doubt we will ever reach it. I also doubted we would see a sub 6month upgrade.
The only way they can kick you out of DFW is if they offer a displacement and NO ONE thinks that is going to happen soon.
Also, I'll believe 67 when I see it. That's a large number and I doubt we will ever reach it. I also doubted we would see a sub 6month upgrade.
Awesome I did not know about the temporary assignment thing. Thank you for that info!
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09-21-2017, 07:27 AM
#4417
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Joined APC: Feb 2016
Posts: 2,559
Ahhh so it's location, not the bird itself. Thanks for the clarification!
Originally Posted by Sheg0theD
Absolutely not, most of my experience is in Bombardier aircraft. The only issue with the CRJ is you are land locked to ORD. If I lived in Chicago or anywhere close, I would be all about it. Hence why I said I would be able to get to DFW at some point in my previous post.
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09-21-2017, 07:29 AM
#4418
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Joined APC: Sep 2017
Posts: 412
Originally Posted by HighFlight
Ahhh so it's location, not the bird itself. Thanks for the clarification!
Yes sir, if the CRJ was in all the bases like the 145 I would be all about it.
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09-21-2017, 07:37 AM
#4419
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: middle seat in the back
Posts: 232
Originally Posted by Sheg0theD
Yes sir, if the CRJ was in all the bases like the 145 I would be all about it.
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09-21-2017, 08:10 AM
#4420
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Joined APC: Oct 2008
Posts: 1,530
Originally Posted by Subpilot
This is exactly what I saw coming from this. There was no upside to have this LOA yet lots of possible downside.
1. Cadet program - have received flight benefits and medical for duration of time in the cadet program plus are young people which translates to being more flexible.
2. Prior 121 - have an opportunity at upgrading very quickly. Rumor of a higher signing bonus.
3 Everyone else - typically older career changers or ex-military whom most likely have more commitments in life and rooted down to an area due to family (ie. not as flexible on assignment).
Now most everyone in group 3 has a big red flag with coming to Envoy while group 1 and 2 were coming here regardless.
1. Cadet program - have received flight benefits and medical for duration of time in the cadet program plus are young people which translates to being more flexible.
2. Prior 121 - have an opportunity at upgrading very quickly. Rumor of a higher signing bonus.
3 Everyone else - typically older career changers or ex-military whom most likely have more commitments in life and rooted down to an area due to family (ie. not as flexible on assignment).
Now most everyone in group 3 has a big red flag with coming to Envoy while group 1 and 2 were coming here regardless.
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