Oh come on give me a break. You know the older folks just cared about getting the 175. It's not about commitments or whatever, if they had commitments they wouldn't be coming to a regional anyways. The 50 year old will still be able to hold DFW by getting on the 145.

 

I'm fully aware of that, and that is what it is, but I do have an issue with a guy in my class, that I should be senior to based on age, flowing before me. They say there are 16 in this class, once the flow drops to 17, that person will be a whole class ahead at AA.

 

My brother from another mother...my pimp from the boat. I don't disagree with you. But let me just add a different perspective:

The "everyone else" category. Those cats can still come with no experience and hold whatever is left. That will probably be the ERJ or CRJ in LGA/ORD. Possibly MIA. Ok...but what if they are local to the N.Texas/Oklahoma area? Aren't DFW transfers going through with each bid cycle? I fly with new FOs everyday who did stints in La Garbage and are now back in DFW.

PLUS, here's the kicker...they can UPGRADE on any equipment they want. If flying the mini A319 is that important, they can just upgrade on it when hitting the 121 minimums. Regardless if they upgrade on that plane or upgrade on the ERJ-145....they will still be senior to every cadet and prior 121 guy hired after them. That won't change.

Literally...the only people this would scare away are older guys in their 50s who refuse to fly anything else other than a 175..even for a minute. It's like an upside down SJS. Upside down because we usually associate SJS with some recent aviation science grad in his early 20s. Most older gentleman have more common sense. Lets hope.

Besides...if they are local to the N. Texas/Oklahoma/Arkansas area what other choice to they have? Mesa? I just spit lucky charms through my nose.

 

That all works great unless they get the CRJ and live in another base. Now, when is AA going to do the same for us at mainline and give flowthroughs super seniority in new-hire classes?

 

Anyone familar with the reserve times on the 175? The booklet they give new hires says 1-3 months im sure that has changed by now, how are the typical line values? Also I think I know the answer to this one, but once the ORD base opens will it decimate the lines in DFW like how Miami did? And is it really looking like a displacement maybe on the cards for all of the new hires after we have been given an assignment? Thanks guys i appreciate the information.

 

Created a username just to ask this, in for answers

 

Hi All -

I received the CJO last week, and am hoping for an October class. I am a Dallas local, and getting based at DFW is my top priority. With the recent LOA - I have a real shot at getting the 175 on day one, and although there are rumors of Chicago 175 opening immanently, it is my assumption that 175 DFW is not a too distant reality should I choose (and get awarded the 175).

My question is this...I have more than 1,000 hours under part 121 all on the E145, and I assume that the fast upgrade is on the E145. I love the idea of flying the 145 before I upgrade into it, however as my ultimate goal is DFW, I am trying to figure out if I am better off just waiting for DFW 175 CA (if I can be based in Dallas as a 175 FO out of training) or if I should take any E145 FO base, and any E145 CA base, and hopefully get awarded E145 DFW CA through a future vacancy bid. I don't mind sitting reserve for the foreseeable future (as with the fast upgrade) as long as I have a line of sight on DFW. Would someone mind posting the DOH for the junior DFW CA for both the 145 and the 175?

Thank you, and I hope my question makes senses as I know it is a bit confusing!

-FlyPurdue

 

I'm a mid 40s NH (not pipeline or prior 121). Should be going to class Dec or Jan.

This new LOA seems to make sense to me. Those with more company time (pipeline) and more experience (prior 121) within a class should get a better number.

Although that wasn't the deal when I accepted the offer, I'm not too bent out of shape about it. I'm not that concerned about what I fly, but I'm choosing Envoy for DFW or ORD (easiest commutes from where I live).

I'm thinking the odds of getting one or the other are still pretty good even with this new seniority order (I hope so at least... gave up two other offers for Envoy).

 

Other than "that's how it used to be", what reasoning would lead to the conclusion that you are entitled to a higher seniority based not on merit or experience, but on being born on an earlier date?

Just about any potential factor I can think of (time spent committed to the company, part 121 experience, general flight experience, crew or military experience, additional ratings, past positions held, etc) would, to me, seem like more justifiable factors to sort seniority by. Years until mandatory retirement (the inverse of age) does seem pertinent, but I would think the airlines have a vested interested in keeping younger people happy, as they have more longevity--at least as far as regulations go.

This isn't a personal attack on your stance, I'm genuinely curious.

 

In my particular case, the reasoning would be that when I accepted the job, this was not how seniority was determined. The bait and switch is never a good way to start a new job..