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09-20-2017 | 07:54 PM
#4401
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This is exactly what I saw coming from this. There was no upside to have this LOA yet lots of possible downside.
1. Cadet program - have received flight benefits and medical for duration of time in the cadet program plus are young people which translates to being more flexible.
2. Prior 121 - have an opportunity at upgrading very quickly. Rumor of a higher signing bonus.
3 Everyone else - typically older career changers or ex-military whom most likely have more commitments in life and rooted down to an area due to family (ie. not as flexible on assignment).
Now most everyone in group 3 has a big red flag with coming to Envoy while group 1 and 2 were coming here regardless.
1. Cadet program - have received flight benefits and medical for duration of time in the cadet program plus are young people which translates to being more flexible.
2. Prior 121 - have an opportunity at upgrading very quickly. Rumor of a higher signing bonus.
3 Everyone else - typically older career changers or ex-military whom most likely have more commitments in life and rooted down to an area due to family (ie. not as flexible on assignment).
Now most everyone in group 3 has a big red flag with coming to Envoy while group 1 and 2 were coming here regardless.
09-20-2017 | 08:12 PM
#4402
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This is exactly what I saw coming from this. There was no upside to have this LOA yet lots of possible downside.
1. Cadet program - have received flight benefits and medical for duration of time in the cadet program plus are young people which translates to being more flexible.
2. Prior 121 - have an opportunity at upgrading very quickly. Rumor of a higher signing bonus.
3 Everyone else - typically older career changers or ex-military whom most likely have more commitments in life and rooted down to an area due to family (ie. not as flexible on assignment).
Now most everyone in group 3 has a big red flag with coming to Envoy while group 1 and 2 were coming here regardless.
1. Cadet program - have received flight benefits and medical for duration of time in the cadet program plus are young people which translates to being more flexible.
2. Prior 121 - have an opportunity at upgrading very quickly. Rumor of a higher signing bonus.
3 Everyone else - typically older career changers or ex-military whom most likely have more commitments in life and rooted down to an area due to family (ie. not as flexible on assignment).
Now most everyone in group 3 has a big red flag with coming to Envoy while group 1 and 2 were coming here regardless.
This guy is tracking. 121 guys are coming for the fast upgrade, flow and bonus.
I'm second guessing my decision too
09-20-2017 | 09:10 PM
#4403
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Joined: Nov 2016
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This is exactly what I saw coming from this. There was no upside to have this LOA yet lots of possible downside.
1. Cadet program - have received flight benefits and medical for duration of time in the cadet program plus are young people which translates to being more flexible.
2. Prior 121 - have an opportunity at upgrading very quickly. Rumor of a higher signing bonus.
3 Everyone else - typically older career changers or ex-military whom most likely have more commitments in life and rooted down to an area due to family (ie. not as flexible on assignment).
Now most everyone in group 3 has a big red flag with coming to Envoy while group 1 and 2 were coming here regardless.
1. Cadet program - have received flight benefits and medical for duration of time in the cadet program plus are young people which translates to being more flexible.
2. Prior 121 - have an opportunity at upgrading very quickly. Rumor of a higher signing bonus.
3 Everyone else - typically older career changers or ex-military whom most likely have more commitments in life and rooted down to an area due to family (ie. not as flexible on assignment).
Now most everyone in group 3 has a big red flag with coming to Envoy while group 1 and 2 were coming here regardless.
Guessing I'd have still gotten the 145 anyway so I'm not sure it would have made a big difference in the end. Also, by the time I do upgrade, all these 'almost street captains' will be junior to me so it's not like I don't see a benefit to me. Just think the union should have taken a different angle with this.
09-20-2017 | 09:20 PM
#4404
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Curious for the guys second guessing Envoy now... is it because you may not get the 175 with the new LOA? If that was the case why not go to Compass or RAH if that was your biggest concern.
You can still get DFW on the 145 and not have to worry about potentially getting displaced to ORD.
I’ll be honest I am a previous 121 guy,but the equipment is not what attracted me to Envoy it was the DFW base and the benefits (health insurance for a family is not cheap). The only benefit I see for me out of this new LOA is the peace of mind knowing I won’t get the CRJ and I will be able to get DFW at some point.
Plus who wants to take a $5,000 bonus cut just to fly an airplane that has engines under the wings??
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You can still get DFW on the 145 and not have to worry about potentially getting displaced to ORD.
I’ll be honest I am a previous 121 guy,but the equipment is not what attracted me to Envoy it was the DFW base and the benefits (health insurance for a family is not cheap). The only benefit I see for me out of this new LOA is the peace of mind knowing I won’t get the CRJ and I will be able to get DFW at some point.
Plus who wants to take a $5,000 bonus cut just to fly an airplane that has engines under the wings??
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09-20-2017 | 09:56 PM
#4405
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Joined: Jan 2014
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Curious for the guys second guessing Envoy now... is it because you may not get the 175 with the new LOA? If that was the case why not go to Compass or RAH if that was your biggest concern.
You can still get DFW on the 145 and not have to worry about potentially getting displaced to ORD.
I’ll be honest I am a previous 121 guy,but the equipment is not what attracted me to Envoy it was the DFW base and the benefits (health insurance for a family is not cheap). The only benefit I see for me out of this new LOA is the peace of mind knowing I won’t get the CRJ and I will be able to get DFW at some point.
Plus who wants to take a $5,000 bonus cut just to fly an airplane that has engines under the wings??
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You can still get DFW on the 145 and not have to worry about potentially getting displaced to ORD.
I’ll be honest I am a previous 121 guy,but the equipment is not what attracted me to Envoy it was the DFW base and the benefits (health insurance for a family is not cheap). The only benefit I see for me out of this new LOA is the peace of mind knowing I won’t get the CRJ and I will be able to get DFW at some point.
Plus who wants to take a $5,000 bonus cut just to fly an airplane that has engines under the wings??
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09-20-2017 | 10:08 PM
#4406
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I have been flying long enough and had my fun flying the cool new jets. I've learned, as I hope those younger than me will learn quickly, don't chase the equipment. Chase the QOL. With a family and responsibilities here in south Florida I wanted the 145 to stay close to family. I want (almost need) MIA as soon as possible. I chose Envoy for the bases, upgrade time, and bonus. A plane is a plane is a plane, makes no difference IMHO.
Understandable.. I can tell you I am in the next class there is 6 cadets and 10 121 guys. The class size is 67 ( From what I was told). That leaves 51 people in group three and I can’t imagine there would be that many CRJ slots. If MIA was your goal I think you would still be able to get the 145 assuming you aren’t in your early 20s.
I agree with you on everything else. The 175 scares me with it being new to the company and the recruiter today told me that 80 FOs and 80 Captains will be going to ORD. The recruiter also mentioned that the company was going to try and avoid displacements, but we all know how this industry works.
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09-20-2017 | 10:26 PM
#4407
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One other problem for the older guys that no one is talking about. When you flow, that 22 year old will now be senior to you at AA. You'll never outbid him before you retire. You're running classes of 50+ per month. You didn't need to tweak anything to get people in the door.
09-20-2017 | 10:37 PM
#4408
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09-20-2017 | 10:41 PM
#4409
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Absolutely not, most of my experience is in Bombardier aircraft. The only issue with the CRJ is you are land locked to ORD. If I lived in Chicago or anywhere close, I would be all about it. Hence why I said I would be able to get to DFW at some point in my previous post.
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09-21-2017 | 01:42 AM
#4410
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They're probably playing the long game and trying to lock in as many cadet instructors now once the pool of currently qualified applicants dries up in the next 2-3 years. It also sounds like they're hedging their bets each way by trying to entice 121 guys in the interim.
Just a guess but I could be wrong.
Just a guess but I could be wrong.
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