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#5202
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Yes.. and several people I know that are new here or first year here are planning to quit because of it. Terrible that the company is doing this "forced" upgrade.
People were given DFW, moved to DFW. Signed apartment leases and now displaced to LGA CA (while people JUNIOR to them, including new hires get to stay in their current seats in DFW). That is extremely wrong when someone junior to you gets to stay and you are forced to commute across the country to a horrible reserve system with virtually no days off after preassigned RAPs, (and you will be forever junior on the fleet and be stuck with horrid relative seniority since everyone will keep upgrading above you). Seniority means nothing here when this happens...
By coming here with more experience their quality of life is severely penalized due to out of seniority order displacements. Some people may want to waste 40 hours a month commuting across county with 1 day off a week to upgrade ASAP. Many with families and other obligtions do not. Seniority "should" protect that right to choose, but it doesn't. They should be hiring street CA's over forcing anyone into this situation.
People were given DFW, moved to DFW. Signed apartment leases and now displaced to LGA CA (while people JUNIOR to them, including new hires get to stay in their current seats in DFW). That is extremely wrong when someone junior to you gets to stay and you are forced to commute across the country to a horrible reserve system with virtually no days off after preassigned RAPs, (and you will be forever junior on the fleet and be stuck with horrid relative seniority since everyone will keep upgrading above you). Seniority means nothing here when this happens...
By coming here with more experience their quality of life is severely penalized due to out of seniority order displacements. Some people may want to waste 40 hours a month commuting across county with 1 day off a week to upgrade ASAP. Many with families and other obligtions do not. Seniority "should" protect that right to choose, but it doesn't. They should be hiring street CA's over forcing anyone into this situation.
I know they say don't come to a regional for the base, but I thought once I got to DFW I would be relatively safe.
Obviously not.
I guess we'll have to use the quote again...
"The world has changed!"
#5203
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Joined APC: Aug 2010
Posts: 248
I hope they do. Taking a hike is the only way the company MIGHT realize the error of their ways (but I have doubts they would).
#5204
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Joined APC: Jul 2017
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Maybe I shouldn't give away my strategy, but I guess I will just be bidding reserve from now on. Better to be on reserve in DFW and not fly than to get too much time and be forced before my peers to upgrade and sent to the other side of the country.
I know they say don't come to a regional for the base, but I thought once I got to DFW I would be relatively safe.
Obviously not.
I guess we'll have to use the quote again...
"The world has changed!"
I know they say don't come to a regional for the base, but I thought once I got to DFW I would be relatively safe.
Obviously not.
I guess we'll have to use the quote again...
"The world has changed!"
#5205
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Joined APC: Jan 2017
Posts: 2,510
Obviously this was a very big bid. There were TWO DFW and they were among the most senior displacements. But they have used up the qualified pilots. In two or three months when they do the next forced bid, most people will have 150-200 more hours and there MAY be people who come wanting to upgrade but I think the forced upgrade line is going to move even farther up the seniority list next time. Especially if people start bailing out.
#5207
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Obviously this was a very big bid. There were TWO DFW and they were among the most senior displacements. But they have used up the qualified pilots. In two or three months when they do the next forced bid, most people will have 150-200 more hours and there MAY be people who come wanting to upgrade but I think the forced upgrade line is going to move even farther up the seniority list next time. Especially if people start bailing out.
A lot of the FO’s you speak of that are already in DFW will probably take another 3-4 vacancy bids at least until they have the hours. Most of them went to DFW with 200 hours and are doing jack all flying on reserve.
I’m not trying to get your hopes up but you just never know.
#5208
No reserve lines. If you get checked out before you can bid on a line for the next month, they give you a build up line with some reserve days and some scheduled trips. But as soon as you bid, you are a line holder.
We don't have reserve at Piedmont, which is good on so many levels. None of that sitting at home/in a hotel waiting for the call BS. Obviously the airline needs reserves for sick calls etc etc. They offer us 3x premium to sit reserve on off days. 16 hours of pay regardless of getting called or not. They did the math and figured it's cheaper to pay us large sums of money than to train an additional 30 pilots to cover our open flying
We don't have reserve at Piedmont, which is good on so many levels. None of that sitting at home/in a hotel waiting for the call BS. Obviously the airline needs reserves for sick calls etc etc. They offer us 3x premium to sit reserve on off days. 16 hours of pay regardless of getting called or not. They did the math and figured it's cheaper to pay us large sums of money than to train an additional 30 pilots to cover our open flying
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