highflyer1980

The way I see it, not bad for getting raises.
Should I order that Tesla Model X now or later?

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SilentLurker

Sounds like poor management / reactionary management to me. Mostly vision-less management styles at middle levels. Granted I do see and hear of a lot of changes coming soon but not fast enough. Slow, reactionary management overall. Examples below:

Age 60 rule, FAR117, ATP 1500 hr rule, poor pay- induced pilot shortage(fear based, putting shareholder value above anything), base closures, then base reopening, giving up San Juan to JetBlue, giving up Boston, AA & American Eagle losing so many flying to Delta Air Lines in NYC. Lack of Sims & state of the art Trainers & Professional Sim Instructors (PSIs) to handle large class sizes. Bottle necks in training departments. Inability to fire ineffective managers or executives, operating a very expensive London Club House in while in BK & asking for concessions after concession were given. Then making threats to shutdown Eagle/Envoy thus losing 1,000+pilots faster than we are currently hiring pilots (no faith in your products/pilots), viewing pilots and the union as enemies vs allies.

If recruitment falls, good they will see they bigger picture of things to come! Numbers don’t lie people do. Until then hope that recruitment does not grow. House needs fixing. A lot of Captains have not been made whole, yet money is being thrown into recruitment and New Hires.

Come to ENY for base, come to ENY if you hope to fly for AA one day (when ever that day comes). The crews are close, their is great unity here. I’m proud to be here and work here with highly qualified and experienced captains. Apart from that, vision-less leaders here seldom take take advantage of trends, waves, and opportunities to enhance employees lives (thus customers lives, and products).

Delta has proven investing in employees is an investment (faith in Endeavor) its products. Let’s see if AA has this view of Envoy. That’s what no raises and reactionary business as usual will show.

highflyer1980

So true... I’m not expecting anything improving here until the horses back is almost broken. That’s what previous history has shown with today’s management and its predecessor.


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StarvnPilot

This might not be the right thread but how does the pay rates work. When it says captains start off at 12 year pay are they starting at 94 or is 68 considered 12 year pay. Also, does a 3 year FO go to year one captain pay or year 3?
Thanks

CaseTractor

Do new hires get displaced to CA with less than 1000 121 TT? And if so, what is the number, 900, 800, 950?. IE, only have to have 1000 for the Fed ride, or 1000 to start CA training?

Can someone with less than 1000TT expect to get fully trained as an FO in whatever they can hold before the swap?

Prime

Captains do not start at 12 year pay. That’s the maximum.

A 3 year FO who upgrades would make year 3 Captain pay.

bigtime209

FOs do not get displaced, nor can they bid, to CA without every single hour of flight time required to upgrade.

bourbon scamp

What’s the process for dropping a trip? Is it the same process for dropping an OT? I know there’s a trade process but curious about dropping outright.

GodIsGood

The next class has 60 already scheduled. So much for pay raises.

Pedro4President

Let's see how many show up.