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Old 02-10-2017 | 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by moon
So we are taking old information to prove points now? Let's go back to September and august and July and think why there was a pool. Couldn't have anything to do with the recalls? They stopped posting because there is no news to post. There were 50 in the pool then. Now there are the 35 selected plus the ones going later in Feb.
The last of those 35 will be flying at envoy until May, unless they send more than 30 per month. They could select 500 but that wouldn't change how many actually show up in class at AA. According to cr700, we are all already selected anyway.
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Old 02-10-2017 | 07:55 AM
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For the record, it is entirely possible that an increase in selection means they are planning on sending over 30, but it hasn't happened yet. It looks like there were 20 in the 2/7 class (source: counting names on interactive seniority list). The 2/21 class hasn't been announced. It would be fantastic to see another 20 in that one, but in the past they haven't been sending equal numbers to each class, so who knows.
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Old 02-10-2017 | 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by ORDinary
Who is complaining about the flow? Quit putting words in people's mouths.

The only way that 04 hire will go in March would be if they flow 80-something in February.
According to the 824 website. If we flow 30 in Feb, and 30 in March We will be into the 04 hires. Number 1090 on there was the most junior to flow in January. 59 numbers from that is a 04 hire not 110 as your math would imply.

I will admit I was wrong, and the wait from selection is a little longer than I thought (1 month longer), but still selecting 35 is the first step, and shouldn't be looked down upon.

This whole hired as an AA pilot thing is dumb though too, so go ahead and tear into CR for that one.
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Old 02-10-2017 | 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by moon
So we are taking old information to prove points now? Let's go back to September and august and July and think why there was a pool. Couldn't have anything to do with the recalls? They stopped posting because there is no news to post. There were 50 in the pool then. Now there are the 35 selected plus the ones going later in Feb.
Not trying to prove any points. This entire selection vs flow is a childish petty argument.

I don't even know what this whole selection process is for. Never even knew people would get upset for suggesting there is a difference between selecting and flowing. I always assumed it was the point a pilot says he wants to flow or just stay here. Kinda like the difference between being awarded a CA slot vs starting training.

I could care less how many slots they put out for CAs. I mainly care how many go to training each month.

So if you want to win this argument and say I'm wrong feel free I could care less. I'm years from flowing.
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Old 02-10-2017 | 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by moon
According to the 824 website. If we flow 30 in Feb, and 30 in March We will be into the 04 hires. Number 1090 on there was the most junior to flow in January. 59 numbers from that is a 04 hire not 110 as your math would imply.

I will admit I was wrong, and the wait from selection is a little longer than I thought (1 month longer), but still selecting 35 is the first step, and shouldn't be looked down upon.

This whole hired as an AA pilot thing is dumb though too, so go ahead and tear into CR for that one.
I completely agree that selecting 35 could be a good thing, and I'm not looking down upon it. I just get frustrated when people who should know better are claiming that the flow has increased based on selection being increased. I worded it awkwardly, but when I said "that 04 hire" I meant the last 04 hire, the 35th pilot just selected, would flow in May (assuming 30/mo).
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Old 02-10-2017 | 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Pedro4President
Not trying to prove any points. This entire selection vs flow is a childish petty argument.

I don't even know what this whole selection process is for. Never even knew people would get upset for suggesting there is a difference between selecting and flowing. I always assumed it was the point a pilot says he wants to flow or just stay here. Kinda like the difference between being awarded a CA slot vs starting training.

I could care less how many slots they put out for CAs. I mainly care how many go to training each month.

So if you want to win this argument and say I'm wrong feel free I could care less. I'm years from flowing.
I could be wrong, but I think the "selection" is just a finalizing of who is next in line for class based on who isn't seat locked, who has their flow paperwork finished, and who has indicated that they want to flow.
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Old 02-10-2017 | 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by cr700
Just remember. You were hired as an American Airlines pilot. How quickly some here forget.
Please clarify. Are you saying he was hired onto the AA seniority list, with their contract, work rules, 401k, and already accruing occupational longevity?

I was not aware that this was the case. Thanks!
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Old 02-10-2017 | 03:07 PM
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Well for the 824 yes. If your a protected pilot the only thing in common with an 824 is you have a pee test. You don't go over with anything except I think your id number. Btw pool selection is not the same thing as flying down to start class. It does sound good when you can use alternative facts and say a more junior guy is flowing or that a 2013 guy is upgrading when his class date isn't until next year. You get the idea. I'm sure cr700 will post that my facts are negative and that I'm being very rude to his bigly plans
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Old 02-11-2017 | 03:37 PM
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Can any one confirm if Envoy is planning on closing ORD base? I am planning on applying there but if they are closing it, then i will have to look else where. Thanks
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Old 02-11-2017 | 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by underpaid pilot
Can any one confirm if Envoy is planning on closing ORD base? I am planning on applying there but if they are closing it, then i will have to look else where. Thanks
Definitely not closing. It's shrinking as planes are shifting to cover LGA flying and CRJs beginning to leave again. But ORD is not going anywhere.
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