DoSomePilotStuf

I want to be an airline pilot. That’s why I’m here. I’d also happily take a $10,000 per year pay cut to guarantee I don’t have to stay longer than 4 years. Those 2 things don’t really have anything to do with each other except for when the Union decides to keep out new hires to get a raise.

Either way if my dream of making it to a real airline doesn’t look like it’s going to work out I’ll cut tail and run. There is no way I will become a regional lifer. It makes zero sense to try to make it all the way to retirement as a bottom feeder of the most unstable industry of all time.

CPPfacts

What if we meet hiring goals but keep shrinking because attrition outstrips hiring?

DoSomePilotStuf

That’s best case scenario. Light at the end of the tunnel. Doesn’t take a math genius to figure out the company can’t shrink indefinitely and meet the hiring goals. 600 pilots per year times an average of 4 year career is 2400 pilots.

Sometimes you guys really surprise me with some of these comments. Doesn’t require a lot of effort to think this through.

CPPfacts

So you just admitted that this place sucks. We agree on something. Even an optimist like you sees the reality.

Everyone of us here came with the attitude of “not staying longer than 4 years”.

DoSomePilotStuf

It’s a regional airline. Why do you stay? Don’t answer that. I know you know it’s really not as bad as you want everyone to think it is. And you and I both know that it will be a lot better when staffing reaches an adequate level. Which is why the Union agenda makes NO SENSE.

airlinepilot50

We should shut down. We are lowering the bar for regional pilots if we can’t negotiate higher rates and a better quality of life.

SureJetz

The 600 hiring goal is for this year. No announcement has been made for hiring goals next year and beyond. You are a self absorbed hack.

It doesn't matter anyway because the company talks about how many offers were given. Real airlines don't use flight attendants as pilot recruiters and talk about butts in the seats and on the line.

There's only 250 or so new hires with even less on the line (around 60). The hiring was seriously lacking well before the Unions message started to go more public/mainstream.

Try again.

SureJetz

United's short sighted feeder/regional game plan is very, very simple and very, very outdated.

They are dead set on the whipsaw models with 8 or 9 feeders. The last few years they have been acquiring other airline's regional feed after they were kicked to the curb (TSA and Air Wisconsin from American) and now Gojet and Compass since they were kicked to the curb by Delta. It's no surprise that these "exclusive" United feeders have industry low pay and work rules.

United thinks it's easier to try and "claim" large and small work groups for their pilots and consolidate them into a hack peace meal plan of carrying passengers.

Problem is that 8 or 9 carriers is hell when an IROP hits, the quality of the operation is garbage (the way United likes it, cheap and poor quality), and it's wholly inefficient.

Problem for United is that once the dust settle with Compass (pilots likely folded into GoJet or TSA) they won't be able to acquire anymore cheap pilots from other carriers. All others are spoken for. I guess United is just hoping for another recession.

The word will eventually get out that United feeders are to be stayed away from and that Delta and American is the pace to go. You either get great pay and a well run airline (Delta) or you get a flow and good pay (American). United gives you neither. Their feeders should be at the very end of a pilot recruit's shortlist.

Lebron

If your QOL isn’t good here and you are a lineholder I believe it’s your fault. With the ILIW, SLIW, vacation trip touch, and constant red flag. I personally average at least 90-100 credit hours and 15+ days off and most weekends at 2 years here.

Yes we are top heavy on CA’s, majority of ASA guys that are left are looking to retire. If the CPP continues to hire, that’s a guaranteed 200+ off the list every year with united committed to the 25% of new hire from XJT. Pay and other QOL things will eventually come but the obvious goal for management now is to make QOL miserable for the most senior before attempting to grow things here.

DoSomePilotStuf

Now you’re starting to get the picture. Do you see why these demands are fruitless? United is pulling the strings and with 8 other carriers to compete with we have NO LEVERAGE. Our only real hope is NEW HIRES. All the crying in the world won’t change that.