Business is business. As to the extension. IMO would say it's done. Actions speak louder than words.

Take a deep breathe and relax. He is management. He is no longer labor. And as to The Company? The Company includes St George. IMO I would say that is where the delay is.

 

If you compare with other regionals on upgrade time, growth, first year pay, bonuses, career progression, you'll see that we have NONE of those. Increasing first year pay will not bring pilots here that weren't already wanting to come here. The biggest factor in recruiting is upgrade time/growth. If you kept first year pay as is but decreased upgrade time to 2 years, that would bring in more new hires than increasing first year pay to $40/HR and keeping our 8 year upgrade, no growth, no bonus, no career progression.

 

Though I see your point, I feel like you are viewing this problem through the wrong lens. You see it as a veteran 121/XJT pilot. I think most 21-23 year old kids aren't informed enough on the other stuff and simply go to the pay scale. If you think most young pilots to this game understand scope or can see far enough down the road to think about retirement, I think that's a miscalculation.

 

I don't think I said anything about scope and retirement, although that is important. I'm simply taking about upgrade time. New hires have been looking at that for at least 15 years. Could that with the bonuses and career progression that recruiters dangle in front of prospective new hires, there is no reason why having industry leading first year pay alone will attract pilots that weren't already considering this place to begin with.

 

I was just putting stuff in there everyone has talked about. Again, I don't disagree with you at all but I do feel for many, the pay scale for 1st year is all its gonna take to sign on the dotted line. That and domicile.

 

Domicile? I just don't think so when comparing us to other places that have higher first year pay already, faster upgrade times, bonuses, and or career progression. We will have to agree to disagree.

 

Domicile can be pretty important, depending on whether or not you want to commute on reserve.

Then again with pay like Endeavor's one could easily afford a decent crashpad and reserve is shorter anyway. But who knows, maybe ExpressJet will start to see some faster movement in the coming year or two

 

Ok, I wasn't sure what you meant by that. But that was the point I made earlier. Just increasing first year pay isn't going to convince more new hires to come here that weren't already wanting to come here, because of commuting.

 

Going to have to agree with the Nevets. Upgrade time is consideration number 1 for regionals. No one is going to choose to come here with a 9 yr upgrade even if we have the best first year pay. Nobody comes here to make this a career. They may end up here but it is not their goal.

Look at GoJet. The place was flooded when their upgrade times plummeted. Despite the horrible pay and work rules. TSA, PSA, ... I mean how else did Great Lakes survive? It's all about upgrade time. That's it.

After that, all things equal, it's domicile, and then FIRST year pay. Nobody ever really looks into the other parts of contract when getting a regional job. They should but don't.

 

I worked at Transstates and came to Expressjet to not have to commute, bc I live in domicile, which to me is priority number 1. You saying horrible work rules and pay there, I think you are very misinformed. You certainly don't know what your talking about, TSA's contract matches ours and in some areas especially reserve rules it's much better. Pay for FO's exceeds Express jet. Great Lakes now has higher first year pay. Upgrade is important but it's not even in my top 3 of concerns, you don't need an upgrade to get to the majors but you do have to be alive and not starve to death on low pay. I got a 3 year plan here and don't plan on leaving at least to that mark (no lateral move). I do like the company (Expressjet) it is a better place to work in many ways, but don't drink the "our contract is the greatest ever" kool aid bc honestly it's average now and when you take pay into account were woefully behind.