Originally Posted by Squawk87

Nice try... Why to fall for management tactics again? WE (xjt and asa) were so unified, and now after one negotiation session it seems that management is achieving it's goal to divide us again! I expected more from you (as someone who was so vocal during our TA voting)! We need to keep supporting each other and stop the mudslinging... I was under the impression that someone like you will call managements bluff.....

P.S.

L-XJT will still exist in 3 years... Many of the UA CPAs don't expire before 2020.... Who cares that UA is unhappy? When you cook a meal with expired ingredients (because they were cheaper), later don't complain that you have a diarrhea!!

Originally Posted by air101

Also, Inc. is not interested in ridding itself of flying for Delta or United so whoever cast this scenario is mistaken. They don't have all those aircraft on order/options for no reason and they aren't all for AA. In fact, none of them are at this time. They will continue to be the largest regional carrier for DL/UA for many years to come. That's what their business model is predicated on. market share.

Originally Posted by Waitingformins

How do think the layoffs would occur especially since it will have been one company for 4-5 years. Seems like the company wouldn’t be able to lay off an xjt 2011 hire and keep a 2014 ASA hire.

Originally Posted by freezingflyboy

For the record, relief/composite/buildup lines as well as all reserve lines are currently being built with SmartPref. So currently 20-25% of L-XJT pilots are using SmartPref.

The only incentive I can deduce for bidding late is for the guys that just want to be a dikc. If your seniority will hold it, it can hold it, whether you bid the minute after SmartPref opens or the minute before it closes. There's no gamesmanship to be had, near as I can tell. Now, if you're the kind of guy that gets a hard-on from blowing up other people's bids at the last minute...well then...maybe you need to evaluate what's going on in your life and your mind that makes you want to act that way.

When I weigh the pros and cons, I keep trying to relate SmartPref to line bidding and traditional PBS bidding. With line bidding, it doesn't matter when you or people senior to you bid because if your seniority will hold it, it will hold it. Same with SmartPref. Difference is sometimes with line bidding you get surprised if people senior to you "bid down" or forget to bid. No surprises with SmartPref as it's a "live bidding environment" (company shenanigans aside). The advantage with SmartPref is that if someone senior to you does come in and blow up your entire bid, you will see it and have the opportunity to tweak your bid and hopefully salvage something that will work for you. Not so with traditional PBS, or even normal line bidding, when you think about it.

Originally Posted by Captain Tony

Management straight up said we are no longer seeking concessions. What tactic are we talking about here? Are you claiming they were lying? In front of an NMB mediator?

Originally Posted by Bartender

LXJT would be out of business by now and we wouldn't be dealing with their shenanigans.

Originally Posted by Captain Tony

You haven't read the TPA. If either side furloughs, the other side hires its furloughed pilots at the bottom of their list.

Originally Posted by Waitingformins

So, if your furloughed from one side you can work on the other side until your recalled or that is your recall?

Originally Posted by Captain Tony

Yes, you go to the bottom of the other side's list until you get recalled. It's in the TPA. Have you read it?

Originally Posted by Bozo

But what you see is not a final. The globalization does not activate until after the bid closes so you really are not seeing what you would get.