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Old 03-21-2013 | 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Delayed again
You guys do realize that the new pay rates are seniority based right? Not based on the equipment you fly. Yes, there will be pilots flying the 70 seat airplane for 50 seat rates.
That's ONLY going on the common variant language. Read the whole FAQ, neither the CRJ7/9 no 170/190 is common variant with the 135/145.

Originally Posted by Bozo
When you have people / pilots such as you do that do not understand how to write language you are correct. You allow National to lead you. Blind leading the blind.
If you're going to criticize how to write language, you HAVE read the CRJ CBA, right? There's so many holes in that thing it makes Swiss cheese look solid
Old 03-21-2013 | 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Nevets
This coming from the guy that still insit that Acey is one syllable.
I'll just quote this since everything else you said after this punk a.. cheap shot is meaningless.

For the last time, the 1 syllable version is "Ace". Leaving off the Y. You guys really are that stupid aren't you? Go away junior.
I only bring that up because its a real life example of YOU not admitting when you're wrong. And using your quote as another example, to this day you still cannot admit you were wrong with something so trivial that it didnt even matter if you had just admitted it.

Anyway, it wasn't meant as a cheap shot.
Old 03-21-2013 | 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Nevets
This coming from the guy that still insit that Acey is one syllable.

Anyway, it was you who was only complaining that we had boiler plate language that required arbitration for new aircraft. Never did you mention anything about complaining that that language didnt exclude bankrupt airlines until you found the same arbitration clause in your own contract.

The only point I was trying to make to bozo is that that language is the same language negotiated by ALPA attorneys into new contracts. As ALPA "learns" of better language, they negotiate that new language in new contracts. It's pattern bargaining and that is what I meant by boiler plate language. If you don't like my choice of words in my explanation, fine. But arguing semantics distracts from the point itself.

Like I said earlier, we wouldn't be in this predicament if your MEC hadn't given their flight line or no merger ultimatum.
When you have people / pilots such as you do that do not understand how to write language you are correct. You allow National to lead you. Blind leading the blind.

All you have to do is look at the term sheet put out by your group and there is such an obliteration of effective language that will keep your contract compliance team busy until you're 6 feet under.
As I said, this boiler plate language (regardless if it was written a pilot or an ALPA attorney). And when someone comes up with a better boiler plate, it gets used the next time until that one is replaced with a better one. Your contract was written after ours. I don't know how else to explain pattern bargaining without using crayons.

If you are so bitter about it, aim it at the party who forced the company to use their right to exercise that clause by giving flight line or no merger ultimatums. If you guys are so smart, you should have known about it, known the possible risks and ramifications of your ultimatum and compromised by taking the offer to arbitrate the PBS vendor issue. You've made our bed, now we are all sleeping in it. Thanks
Old 03-22-2013 | 11:12 AM
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Does anybody know if the new hire CRJ class has been assigned their planes and bases?
Old 03-22-2013 | 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by somertime32
Does anybody know if the new hire CRJ class has been assigned their planes and bases?
Doubt it...
Old 03-22-2013 | 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by somertime32
Does anybody know if the new hire CRJ class has been assigned their planes and bases?
What do you mean assigned planes?
Old 03-22-2013 | 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by RunwayOneSix
What do you mean assigned planes?
What part didn't you understand?
Old 03-22-2013 | 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by somertime32
Does anybody know if the new hire CRJ class has been assigned their planes and bases?
What do you mean assigned planes?
Fine awarded, is that better now?
Old 03-22-2013 | 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by JustAnotherPLT
What part didn't you understand?
Ok, let's see, I don't do 121. So how about you help me understand. Aren't new hires generally assigned the CR2. I would think it would take seniority to hold CR7/9? Am I seeing this incorrectly...?
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Originally Posted by JustAnotherPLT
What part didn't you understand?
Ok, let's see, I don't do 121. So how about you help me understand. Aren't new hires generally assigned the CR2. I would think it would take seniority to hold CR7/9? Am I seeing this incorrectly...?
Depends on timing. When I was a new hire I went right to the 700. In our latest vacancy notice pretty much all the upgrades are coming from current 700 FOs so I would imagine they would replace them. La Salle did just beat KState though so who really knows what will happen!
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