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Old 07-17-2013 | 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Captain Tony
A-freaking-men! Everyone needs to look long and hard at the loopholes. Don't listen to the union lifers at the road shows giving you a sales job that they don't exist. That's how we got screwed last time. 90% of the pilots only look at compensation.
There is way too much loose language in our current contract and too heavy a "working relationship" with management to believe it will all just disappear suddenly in one contract. How many sales pitches does this pilot group need to fall for to realize we get scammed every single time without having the hard language to back it up? Everything that gave the company discretion has been exploited and abused. Remember PBS was going to result in 10% reserve staffing? Remember how unstacking was only there for extremely rare abnormalities and maybe a holiday month if necessary*? now it's used because we dont have the staffing to operate our block hours. When there is a TA everyone needs to sit down and thoroughly read it on their own somewhere quiet and not listen to the sales pitches in the crew lounges, because most of them dont have to fly and be exploited by the loopholes they sign.
Old 07-17-2013 | 03:32 PM
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I'm voting no unless everytime I get an IROP email I'm contractually obligated to kick someone from management in the balls, ill settle for a scheduler if I'm in a good mood
Old 07-17-2013 | 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Hurryage65
I'm voting no unless everytime I get an IROP email I'm contractually obligated to kick someone from management in the balls, ill settle for a scheduler if I'm in a good mood
Most of the schedulers are female, but I laughed my butt off on this one!!!
Old 07-17-2013 | 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Hurryage65
I'm voting no unless everytime I get an IROP email I'm contractually obligated to kick someone from management in the balls, ill settle for a scheduler if I'm in a good mood
Speaking of, I'll never understand how the company decides if they want/need to declare irop. About a week ago they declared IROP in ATL and DTW with no thunderstorm within miles and no ATC programs for those airports, and they didn't declare one today when DTW had departure delays and ATL and ground stop. Am I missing something???
Old 07-17-2013 | 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by ysslah
Speaking of, I'll never understand how the company decides if they want/need to declare irop. About a week ago they declared IROP in ATL and DTW with no thunderstorm within miles and no ATC programs for those airports, and they didn't declare one today when DTW had departure delays and ATL and ground stop. Am I missing something???
Hint: the definition is variable. The threshold for IROP gets higher/lower with that day's staffing level.
Old 07-17-2013 | 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by ysslah
Speaking of, I'll never understand how the company decides if they want/need to declare irop. About a week ago they declared IROP in ATL and DTW with no thunderstorm within miles and no ATC programs for those airports, and they didn't declare one today when DTW had departure delays and ATL and ground stop. Am I missing something???
I think we are missing something. The other day, DTW had storms come out of no where that wasn't in the forecast at all. Has a 2 hr EDCT coming back to DTW cause of it that lifted 15 minutes early, but still no IROP.
Old 07-17-2013 | 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Captain Tony
But the problem is that a good 40% of the combined list know they are never leaving this place for various reasons (age, seniority, finances, family, etc). So they will do whatever it takes to keep it afloat until they can retire. Most of these same people are also well into 6 figures, and a 5 or 6k pay cut isn't going to break them like the company folding would. We call these people "scared lifers".
You're right. This is a part time job for me that pays 100k...and if I have to start over, it becomes a 25k full time job.

Risk/reward says keep the current job.... Where's my YES vote...
Old 07-18-2013 | 03:56 AM
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You're right. This is a part time job for me that pays 100k...and if I have to start over, it becomes a 25k full time job.

Risk/reward says keep the current job.... Where's my YES vote...

Once again, Joey shows why he's what's wrong with this industry. "I've got mine so even if it screws else, I'll ride this fat ugly pig to the end no matter how bad it gets for everyone else."

All because he got shot down by the majors years ago and is now a bitter, over-the-hill, scared lifer.

The better attitude would be I'll stand my ground to make this a decent place to work since I want to finish my time here, not I'll take whatever scraps they'll give me so I can further the race to the bottom, even in a pilot shortage.
Old 07-18-2013 | 04:09 AM
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Originally Posted by JoeMerchant
Originally Posted by Captain Tony
But the problem is that a good 40% of the combined list know they are never leaving this place for various reasons (age, seniority, finances, family, etc). So they will do whatever it takes to keep it afloat until they can retire. Most of these same people are also well into 6 figures, and a 5 or 6k pay cut isn't going to break them like the company folding would. We call these people "scared lifers".
You're right. This is a part time job for me that pays 100k...and if I have to start over, it becomes a 25k full time job.

Risk/reward says keep the current job.... Where's my YES vote...
Ladies and gentlemen, ASA in a nutshell
Old 07-18-2013 | 05:29 AM
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Senior captains may believe they make too much, and need to take paycuts and work more in order preserve ExpressJet's viability, but I doubt many FOs or junior captains share that sentiment. And if this place can't attract and retain pilots, who's gonna sit in the right seat? You can't be "senior" if everyone below you leaves.
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