What's the Latest at ASA/Expressjet?
07-17-2013 | 07:57 AM
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to echo the sentiments above, lets just hope there is enough people not looking to make a career out of the combined company to stand up and just say no the race to the bottom. They need us more than we need them moving forward, they can compensate us fairly and treat us like adults in the process.
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07-17-2013 | 08:03 AM
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Did I miss something? Is the TA out already? As far as I know, ASA folks have NEVER taken concessions. To assume this contract is concessionary is naive. I would bet there are modest improvements in soft time on the ASA side. L-XJT, I'm curious to see. To say we are supporting the race to the bottom isn't exactly accurate. At least not yet.
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just judging from the amount of times "cost competitive" is jammed down our throats, the recent pattern of bargaining at other regionals, and from the tone reps have taken with the little they can say towards negotiations, I'm just being realistic more than optimistic. I hope you are right and I don't think anyone plans on taking negotiations, but when you weigh a contract vote on fear (lifers not having a job) and a carrot to the non lifers (pref interview somewhere, etc) you achieve the 1 vote more than 50% needed to pass what you want. If it isn't concessionary, I will gladly eat my words. I can promise though, the first time i see the words "at the companies discretion or the company will make the best effort to not.." the vote is no i will no longer read any further
07-17-2013 | 08:07 AM
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yep. His words were "if you want to make what i make then be a captain." I guess that same kind of ignorance is what makes you never move on. 28 years and he is a 700 captain. Later that day I had a nice chat with a Delta 23 year captain on the 767. Need we say more?
07-17-2013 | 08:12 AM
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just judging from the amount of times "cost competitive" is jammed down our throats, the recent pattern of bargaining at other regionals, and from the tone reps have taken with the little they can say towards negotiations, I'm just being realistic more than optimistic. I hope you are right and I don't think anyone plans on taking negotiations, but when you weigh a contract vote on fear (lifers not having a job) and a carrot to the non lifers (pref interview somewhere, etc) you achieve the 1 vote more than 50% needed to pass what you want.
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07-17-2013 | 08:16 AM
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As long as there are improvements, then what are your concerns? XJT will never be Delta Airlines, to assume a contract (not saying you are, just an example) on par with that is naive, or misinformed. ASA has had improvements in all of our Contracts, '98, '02, '07... '07 did come with its share of the pain, ASA certainly didn't accept concessions for growth.... Losing 900's, numerous base closures and a downright mud fight with mgmt.
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There are none if there are improvements, we are on the same page. Im merely stating a case for why a concessionary TA will still pass.
07-17-2013 | 08:27 AM
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agreed. The lifers will cave because we have too many 50+ year olds with >20 years seniority who will do anything to keep the place afloat. The last one i flew with (28 years) actually said if the company wants pay cuts to go take it from the FO's because "he doesnt make enough as it is and they make too much." I wouldnt be surprised if the company dangles a carrot (preferential interview) to get a remaining 10-15% yes vote so it can pass.
Sadly nothing will change this company and the only option is to leave the first chance we all get and let these lifers sort it out when the company is so top heavy even concessions wont let them compete anymore.
Sadly nothing will change this company and the only option is to leave the first chance we all get and let these lifers sort it out when the company is so top heavy even concessions wont let them compete anymore.
07-17-2013 | 08:34 AM
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As long as there are improvements, then what are your concerns? XJT will never be Delta Airlines, to assume a contract (not saying you are, just an example) on par with that is naive, or misinformed. ASA has had improvements in all of our Contracts, '98, '02, '07... '07 did come with its share of the pain, ASA certainly didn't accept concessions for growth.... Losing 900's, numerous base closures and a downright mud fight with mgmt.
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"We're just a little commuter airline, not Delta. We should just be happy with what we get. We need to be cost competitive in order to win new flying. If we're not cost competitive, we'll all be out of jobs, and we washed up geezers won't be able to get another one".
07-17-2013 | 08:36 AM
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A-freaking-men! Everyone needs to look long and hard at the loopholes. Don't listen to the union lifers at the road shows giving you a sales job that they don't exist. That's how we got screwed last time. 90% of the pilots only look at compensation.
07-17-2013 | 08:36 AM
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This is a prime example of the problem we're talking about!!!
"We're just a little commuter airline, not Delta. We should just be happy with what we get. We need to be cost competitive in order to win new flying. If we're not cost competitive, we'll all be out of jobs, and we washed up geezers won't be able to get another one".
"We're just a little commuter airline, not Delta. We should just be happy with what we get. We need to be cost competitive in order to win new flying. If we're not cost competitive, we'll all be out of jobs, and we washed up geezers won't be able to get another one".
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