What's the Latest at ASA/Expressjet?
08-16-2013 | 07:57 AM
#4052
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Do they have a minimum GPA requirement? Even if you're still working on the degree?
08-16-2013 | 10:23 AM
#4054
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Guess 1: 737-200s? all first class? (ya know, so it'll be under 76 seats or whatever)
Guess 2: DTW closing, LGA and MSP opening
Guess 3: TA has been reached, road shows in November, voting in December and Oh, we're keeping 17 of the 19 CR2s along with 30 E170 starting in 2017.
I like this game
Guess 2: DTW closing, LGA and MSP opening
Guess 3: TA has been reached, road shows in November, voting in December and Oh, we're keeping 17 of the 19 CR2s along with 30 E170 starting in 2017.
I like this game
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08-16-2013 | 10:49 AM
#4055
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From: I'm Buying
Been talking to a couple guys and they where saying XJet is having a some trouble filling classes and two recent ERJ classes were canceled due to lack up applicants to fill them. Anyone recently in the school house have any info on this? I know XJet is starting to see some attrition but figured SkyWest / XJet would be the last to feel the supposed regional pilot shortage.
08-16-2013 | 11:05 AM
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I wish everyone had this opinion and was willing to stand up and fight for it. This industry would be a much better place. Pilots are finally starting to see the pendulum swing back in our favor, please don't take concessions and knock it back the other direction to the point of no return. NO PILOT GROUP should be taking concessions! At some point we must demand better for ourselves and our families for the work and time we put in AWAY from home, or just walk away and make a better life doing something else...
08-16-2013 | 02:30 PM
#4057
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From: EMB 145 CPT
I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm saying the same thing and calling it rationalizations for management getting a raise. You call them explanations. We only disagree in what we are naming it.
Someone said they got 73%?pay raises. That's is 100% correct. You didn't like it because they didn't pick your arbitrary date rather than their arbitrary date. In the end it's still a raise either way. And that alone would still make that person's point valid even if you disagree that we shouldn't get raises solely because management got raises.
I take back what I said in regards to providing capital. I was wrong and made bad assumptions. I believe you were speaking in a broader sense and not to this management.
Lastly, you brought up that management takes work home. I didn't disagree but I do argue with it as an excuse of why management gets raises and asks labor for concessions as being ok. To me it doesn't matter if they take their work home. If they get raises, they shouldn't ask for concessions. I can turn the argument around to you and say that if you don't want to take work home and have labor complain about your raises when you are asking for concessions of them, then don't become management.
Anyway, I think we agree more than we disagree.
Someone said they got 73%?pay raises. That's is 100% correct. You didn't like it because they didn't pick your arbitrary date rather than their arbitrary date. In the end it's still a raise either way. And that alone would still make that person's point valid even if you disagree that we shouldn't get raises solely because management got raises.
I take back what I said in regards to providing capital. I was wrong and made bad assumptions. I believe you were speaking in a broader sense and not to this management.
Lastly, you brought up that management takes work home. I didn't disagree but I do argue with it as an excuse of why management gets raises and asks labor for concessions as being ok. To me it doesn't matter if they take their work home. If they get raises, they shouldn't ask for concessions. I can turn the argument around to you and say that if you don't want to take work home and have labor complain about your raises when you are asking for concessions of them, then don't become management.
Anyway, I think we agree more than we disagree.
This is retorical, however, but as far as the 73% is concerned let me ask you this. If BH was paid the same thing in 2010 and 2012, but still took the pay cut for 2011, would you still call it a pay raise? Yes, I know that it is 'technically speaking', but in reality, would he have received a raise over the 2 year period? If you make 50 bucks an hour, get a $5 cut in pay this year and a $5 raise in pay next year, have you actually gotten a raise? I would argue that you had not, in fact, gotten a raise.
I agree completely with your sentence about 'if they get raises thy shouldn't ask for concessions" because I, personally, would never do it that way. I did, however, attempt to explain, not rationalize because I don't support it, the reason for them asking for concessions. The biggest point I have attempted to make is that your/our value, as professional pilots, is independent of anything else, and that our compensation should be based on our value, nithing else, and surely not on what happens with management or other labor groups. If we use the argument 'we should get it because they got it" then they will turn that around on us the next time they take pay cuts and say 'well we took one so you should too'. It is irrelevant to our worth as pilots.
On a final not, I would agree that we agree on much more than we disagree on. I want this industry and company to be better when we leave it than it was when we found it.
None of this would even be an issue if they took a pay cut. So that is irrelevant. The ONLY reason why we are discussing it is because two things have happened: they got pay raises and they are asking labor for concessions. No one was talking about the pay raises they got up until the day we found out that they are asking for concessions.
I want this industry to be better when we leave it. Even if it means that this company will not be better when we leave it, whether that is by choice or not. And what I mean by that is I will vote NO on any concessions even if it means they wind is down. Are we in agreement on that?
08-16-2013 | 04:13 PM
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From: The one that holds the thingy that moves the doo-hickie, and keeps the other thing from falling down
08-16-2013 | 06:49 PM
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I want this industry to be better when we leave it. Even if it means that this company will not be better when we leave it, whether that is by choice or not. And what I mean by that is I will vote NO on any concessions even if it means they wind is down. Are we in agreement on that?
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