Personally I think SKYW Inc wants a new TA done before they have to report the quarter results. I have a feeling they are going to be back in the black which would make it harder for them to find excuses to short us.

 

No one is arguing against QOL improvements (have you even been reading these threads? where we say we want our duty rig to be improved to *actual* duty, reserve improvements, etc etc). Just because you and you-know-who (can't satire his name anymore; apparently satire is a form of personal attack around here) say we don't want improvements doesn't make it so. We are just saying that you can't expect your old contract back after you voted yourself some pay cuts "just because."

People ought to be reasonable in their expectations with respect to the breadth of improvements ahead of the vote, and not put their ignorance on display by screaming about how they're going to vote no to anything short of a legacy-quality contract.

 

I'm not necessarily sticking up for anyone here. Just trying to see it from other perspectives since we ALL have to come to terms in order for this to work. I know a lot of people think that only the MAJORITY have to agree but in order for the company to become successful in the long run it would need to be closer to ALL than the MAJORITY.

Everyone seems to preach that what they like is what everyone else should like. The two pilot groups are very diverse in culture. It's going to take a lot of patience and working together for us to ever get anywhere. Or it will just become another US Air/Americawest deal again. Their situation is not far off. Last time I checked, the culture over there is a bit on the dark side. Not much good going on.

So rather than telling someone to leave out their opinion of something, swallow your pride and try to understand WHY they see it as inferior or "less crappy" as I like to put it. Taking that extra step may be the key one day.

Or not...........

 

See this is where the mentality of "wait and see" isn't going to fly. The company is actively trying to get concessions out of us. Members of my union are being fairly forthcoming with info especially on sections of the contract where management is asking for concessions. Some of the things I spoke about came from two very good sources. Some of it was said by Jerry Atkin prior to negotiations heating up and some of it came from United management about our positive space deadheads. Our union and the company cannot come to an agreement on deadheading mostly because management does not want to ask for relief from United.

Believe what you want but you are in a fairytale if you think a better QOL will just be placed in your lap and all you have to do is vote.

 

Isn't that what both sides are paying their negotiators for? Have them hammer out a deal that is best for us and then vote?

I agree with you that the company is trying to pinch everything they can out of us and I sure as heck will not vote on anything with concessions for either side, but as line pilots the only real option we have is a vote at this point.

 

First of all to be clear I'm on the L-XJT side. The intention of my post was not to dismiss an opinion but rather dismiss a negative opinion that has no offer of a solution. We are seeing too much of this back and forth with no suggestions, only insults or accusastions. I'm saying start becoming part of the solution instead of the problem. (That's not aimed at anyone specific just a general message to both sides)

 

Fair enough....... Can't argue with that.

 

Like I said, I didn't mean to say that everything in their contract is inferior. There are a couple of things that aren't and the rest is inferior. You know that right?

The solution? Take the best of both contracts.

 

2 CRJ classes scheduled for July

 

Beat me to it. I guess they know something we don't about DL hiring.