What's the Latest at ASA/Expressjet?
07-07-2012 | 05:22 AM
#391
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What do you think goaround2000? It's probably a ploy to get you guys to sign the contract so when we furlough it's not all L-ASA guys, right? 
07-08-2012 | 06:55 PM
#392
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We aren't furloughing in the predictable future, which is about 3 months in the airline industry!
07-09-2012 | 04:00 AM
#393
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See this is where the mentality of "wait and see" isn't going to fly. The company is actively trying to get concessions out of us. Members of my union are being fairly forthcoming with info especially on sections of the contract where management is asking for concessions. Some of the things I spoke about came from two very good sources. Some of it was said by Jerry Atkin prior to negotiations heating up and some of it came from United management about our positive space deadheads. Our union and the company cannot come to an agreement on deadheading mostly because management does not want to ask for relief from United.
Believe what you want but you are in a fairytale if you think a better QOL will just be placed in your lap and all you have to do is vote.
Believe what you want but you are in a fairytale if you think a better QOL will just be placed in your lap and all you have to do is vote.
07-09-2012 | 04:16 AM
#394
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You think you have an ace in your pocket but you forget JA has a full house. We've been there done that. You guys do what you need...good luck.
07-09-2012 | 04:35 AM
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Ok show me the numbers. Show me where an increase in wages and QOL is going to bankrupt the company. The way you talk you must know more than all of us, show me the finances; specifically where any capital gains would hurt the company's bottom line.
By the way, based on your believe system, you're clearly on the wrong side of the fence (assuming you're a line pilot at all). Good thing you're not in the negotiating Commitee. Per your own words "the company will not sign a contract that will bankrupt them", that's their job. Ours is to maximize the leverage we have and get as much as possible.
Here's a few realities for you folks that you're refusing to see:
1. If there are NO gains for the ERJ side, we'll just vote it down. Not open to discussion, as most of you already know the fear tactics won't work a second time, and believe it or not the crj side has more lifers as demonstrated by seniority.
2. There will NOT be a flush bid and there will be fences, regardless of the SLI.
3. There's no rush for ERJ side to vote anything in, and history has demonstrated (with the exception of Delta) that the first and second TA's are usually rejected.
4. If Jerry decides to pull aircraft out of the ERJ side because he wants to go home and take his ball, well, he can't! That's the best part, he signed a transitional agreement (public document) with our MEC. Planes go, so do the crews on a 10-1 ratio. You guys have that on the crj side?
5. The UAL CPA is a 1-1 ratio on replacements. I love how people ignore this one too!
6. asa ceased to exist, the surviving entity is called ExpressJet Airlines, Inc. it's a combination of the two carriers purchased by SKYWEST Inc. Talk about the crj union selling kool aid on that one.
So once again, who is brave enough to answer a civilize question?
WHAT IS THE INCENTIVE FOR THE ERJ CREWS TO CLOSE THIS DEAL QUICKLY?
Anyone.....
By the way, based on your believe system, you're clearly on the wrong side of the fence (assuming you're a line pilot at all). Good thing you're not in the negotiating Commitee. Per your own words "the company will not sign a contract that will bankrupt them", that's their job. Ours is to maximize the leverage we have and get as much as possible.
Here's a few realities for you folks that you're refusing to see:
1. If there are NO gains for the ERJ side, we'll just vote it down. Not open to discussion, as most of you already know the fear tactics won't work a second time, and believe it or not the crj side has more lifers as demonstrated by seniority.
2. There will NOT be a flush bid and there will be fences, regardless of the SLI.
3. There's no rush for ERJ side to vote anything in, and history has demonstrated (with the exception of Delta) that the first and second TA's are usually rejected.
4. If Jerry decides to pull aircraft out of the ERJ side because he wants to go home and take his ball, well, he can't! That's the best part, he signed a transitional agreement (public document) with our MEC. Planes go, so do the crews on a 10-1 ratio. You guys have that on the crj side?
5. The UAL CPA is a 1-1 ratio on replacements. I love how people ignore this one too!
6. asa ceased to exist, the surviving entity is called ExpressJet Airlines, Inc. it's a combination of the two carriers purchased by SKYWEST Inc. Talk about the crj union selling kool aid on that one.
So once again, who is brave enough to answer a civilize question?
WHAT IS THE INCENTIVE FOR THE ERJ CREWS TO CLOSE THIS DEAL QUICKLY?
Anyone.....
07-09-2012 | 06:13 AM
#396
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See this is where the mentality of "wait and see" isn't going to fly. The company is actively trying to get concessions out of us. Members of my union are being fairly forthcoming with info especially on sections of the contract where management is asking for concessions. Some of the things I spoke about came from two very good sources. Some of it was said by Jerry Atkin prior to negotiations heating up and some of it came from United management about our positive space deadheads. Our union and the company cannot come to an agreement on deadheading mostly because management does not want to ask for relief from United.
Believe what you want but you are in a fairytale if you think a better QOL will just be placed in your lap and all you have to do is vote.
Believe what you want but you are in a fairytale if you think a better QOL will just be placed in your lap and all you have to do is vote.
07-09-2012 | 07:58 AM
#397
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See this is where the mentality of "wait and see" isn't going to fly. The company is actively trying to get concessions out of us. Members of my union are being fairly forthcoming with info especially on sections of the contract where management is asking for concessions. Some of the things I spoke about came from two very good sources. Some of it was said by Jerry Atkin prior to negotiations heating up and some of it came from United management about our positive space deadheads. Our union and the company cannot come to an agreement on deadheading mostly because management does not want to ask for relief from United.
Believe what you want but you are in a fairytale if you think a better QOL will just be placed in your lap and all you have to do is vote.
Believe what you want but you are in a fairytale if you think a better QOL will just be placed in your lap and all you have to do is vote.
07-09-2012 | 09:50 AM
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While not arguing that the company is penny pinching, which is obvious to anyone working here. Besides your statement about the deadhead, how is the company actively seeking concessions? What are they trying to take away? I have heard no details of this and would like some facts to back that claim up, if you don't mind. I would not doubt for one second, however, that the company will not agree to anything that raises their cost, and would love to make us work for less then we do now. That just ain't gonna happen. I'm sure they are being very stubborn on the contract. Would just like to know some facts.
They have fought for our DHD on mainline flights to no longer be block or better because "continental" is no longer operating the flights... they have since come to their senses because they would have most likely lost the long drawn out arbitration.
They want us to check in 1 hr prior at an airport terminal despite the fact that we used negotiating capital to end that horrible idea 7 years ago. It didn't work last time, our operation is twice as spread out across more terminals, and if they want to try it again then they need to negotiate to get it back. They are adamant that they can enforce this upon us and that they are somehow being nice by giving us an "extension."
Pay: Pay claims are not being responded to within the contractual 14 day time frame, they no longer mail you a check for a gross underpayment unless you bring the contract to their attention, and they are actively changing flight times in rainmaker to their benefit weeks after you operated that flight.
We are now in SWAP for any little sneeze across the US which is fine but any trades outside of skedplus (even if it benefits the company) are about as rare as a water into wine miracle, the servers for skedplus are so slow that the ILIW and SLIW are now much less effective line adjustment tools, the wireless in the ewr crew room is now unusable and the powers that be don't want to ask United for a reasonable fix because we don't want to bite the hand that feeds us. Just like they didn't want to fight for our EARNED vacation passes, a pass priority above unaccompanied pass riders, or to stop mainline people from bumping us on our own flights by using vacation passes for an entire year.
The deadheading positive space thing is a blatant concession but now they are whittling away at our work rules and QOL little by little. It might only be a few small things but they are actively taking things away from us. A perfect example of this is how much we have to keep an eye on our pay now that Rainmaker (which wasn't ready to be rolled out) is supposedly a benefit to us. Their first software fix for rainmaker that took months to program wasn;t even to correct the problems we were having with it. It was to correctly pay us LESS! It was paying everyone 75 hrs even if they flew 60 hrs and that was what they wanted to correct first. Not the hundreds of hours of flight training pay, pairing overages, and vacation pay that they were stealing from us.
Nothing is getting better or easier for the employees. Everything benefits them or is somebody else's fault that they have no control to fix so we have to live with it.
07-09-2012 | 09:58 AM
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Really all you have to look at is the long list of grievances we currently have.
They have fought for our DHD on mainline flights to no longer be block or better because "continental" is no longer operating the flights... they have since come to their senses because they would have most likely lost the long drawn out arbitration.
They have fought for our DHD on mainline flights to no longer be block or better because "continental" is no longer operating the flights... they have since come to their senses because they would have most likely lost the long drawn out arbitration.
Check the MEC message that came out months ago on it.
07-09-2012 | 01:30 PM
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Exactly WHAT are you guys going to be flying at XJT? Most of the aircraft are timing out. That's what I'd be worrying about.
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