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Old 08-28-2013 | 07:35 PM
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So that makes it ok for Skywest pilots? Did you just rationalize whipsawing? Do two wrongs ever make a right? Will Skywest pilots ever do the right thing for the betterment of this segment of our profession? Will they ever lead? Are there any other excuses left?.
It didn't "rationalize" anything.....Whipsawing, also known as competition is a reality. The SkyWest pilots are not the main reason we have pressure on our pay and workrules....Fellow union carriers are putting more pressure on us than the SkyWest pilots are. Mesa, GoJets, Eagle, and especially Pinnacle are putting the most pressure on us. You need to start accepting the reality that your union is more at fault than the SkyWest pilots...However I doubt your ALPA rose colored glasses will allow you to see through the BS that Herndon spews your way...

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Anyway, assuming you are correct, Skywest pilots can still stop the whipsaw from our CEO, even if another pilot group has decided to exacerbate it.
No they can't. There will still be pressure on Inc. from the much lower cost union carriers that have much lower costs. In addition, even if they were union, you would have to buy a single list....and that won't come cheap. I suspect the majority wouldn't be willing to pay that price on either side of the fence....
Yes, we compete against all those regionals. And if Skywest Inc wins any flying, our CEO whipsaws Skywest pilots against us. So I fault the CEO more than the pilots but then again, that's what he is paid to
do. Not so with the pilots. I don't blame Skywest pilots for the whipsaw the majors orchestrate against the regionals. But I do partially blame them for the whipsaw our CEO is paid to administer on his own employees because the Skywest pilots are able to stop that if they really wanted. They cannot stop the whipsawing in the whole regional industry but hey can within our corporation. And that would move the needle in the right direction in the fight against whipsaw in our segment of this industry. If they are not willing to "pay the price" to stop the whipsaw from our own CEO, then they are NOT for stopping the whipsaw. And that was my main point to Skywest pilots. If they are for it, them they should be for one list. Anything else is just lip service.
Old 08-28-2013 | 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Nevets
Yes, we compete against all those regionals. And if Skywest Inc wins any flying, our CEO whipsaws Skywest pilots against us. So I fault the CEO more than the pilots but then again, that's what he is paid to
do. Not so with the pilots. I don't blame Skywest pilots for the whipsaw the majors orchestrate against the regionals. But I do partially blame them for the whipsaw our CEO is paid to administer on his own employees because the Skywest pilots are able to stop that if they really wanted. They cannot stop the whipsawing in the whole regional industry but hey can within our corporation. And that would move the needle in the right direction in the fight against whipsaw in our segment of this industry. If they are not willing to "pay the price" to stop the whipsaw from our own CEO, then they are NOT for stopping the whipsaw. And that was my main point to Skywest pilots. If they are for it, them they should be for one list. Anything else is just lip service.
..........Whipsaw..........
Old 08-29-2013 | 03:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Gunga Galunga
it would probably be beneficial to get to the acceptance stage that ATL is a dying base. The line between line holders and reserves on the 700 is spring 2008 hires. For those of us on the losing end of seniority we need to think beyond ATL.
This is why i'm not for a joint contract right now let ATL thin down. It seem to be Deltas plan anyway. Sorry ASA brothers but its business and in business its not persona. But everyone takes it that way, so that right there is why we will never get ahead in this industry.
Old 08-29-2013 | 03:50 AM
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This is why i'm not for a joint contract right now let ATL thin down. It seem to be Deltas plan anyway. Sorry ASA brothers but its business and in business its not persona. But everyone takes it that way, so that right there is why we will never get ahead in this industry.
What you are asking for won't happen. The merged list will be from whenever this merger was announced and a good portion of your crj buddies are.going to be ahead of you irregardless of our current fleet size. This me me me attitude is exactly why we are in this dilemma. Pilots are selfish and incredibly short sighted.
Old 08-29-2013 | 04:27 AM
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ATL is the incredible shrinking base. It's ironic that the changes can be seen just by looking out the window in the crew lounge. What used to be C gates filled with our 200/700/900s are now occupied by MD88s,737s, and A320s. Once the 717 arrives that'll be like the Grim Reaper showing up for the XJT ATL Base.
Old 08-29-2013 | 04:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Trip7
ATL is the incredible shrinking base. It's ironic that the changes can be seen just by looking out the window in the crew lounge. What used to be C gates filled with our 200/700/900s are now occupied by MD88s,737s, and A320s. Once the 717 arrives that'll be like the Grim Reaper showing up for the XJT ATL Base.
It's a good thing mainline is taking back a lot of these CRJ50 flights. Let that plane die and don't give up one more airplane.

What is the cap on DCI once the 50s are gone? 450 large RJs among the DCIs right?
Old 08-29-2013 | 04:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Trip7
ATL is the incredible shrinking base. It's ironic that the changes can be seen just by looking out the window in the crew lounge. What used to be C gates filled with our 200/700/900s are now occupied by MD88s,737s, and A320s. Once the 717 arrives that'll be like the Grim Reaper showing up for the XJT ATL Base.
Are you seriously complaining that Delta is taking back flying?? Wow... Just wow... I honestly don't even know what to say to that..
Old 08-29-2013 | 05:10 AM
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And I hear DAL is getting the C55 crew lounge so all their crews on C have a place to go, and we are moving everyone to the D lounge! Of course, there won't be many left in ATL anyway.
Old 08-29-2013 | 05:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Truman_Sparks
And I hear DAL is getting the C55 crew lounge so all their crews on C have a place to go, and we are moving everyone to the D lounge! Of course, there won't be many left in ATL anyway.
Probably just flamebait, but I also heard there were a couple of guys from Delta with clip boards in hand walking through our lounge last week.
Old 08-29-2013 | 05:50 AM
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Originally Posted by PerpetualFlyer
Are you seriously complaining that Delta is taking back flying?? Wow... Just wow... I honestly don't even know what to say to that..
I did not see Trip-7's comment as a complaint, but only an observation of the changing times.
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