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Hi Guys..
I have a few questions & my apologies if they have been asked before..
I am trying to find a place to work which is easily commutable from SMF. I just hit ATP mins, I have no turbine time or prev 121/135 exp.
What are the Junior bases on the CRJ side that a new hire can expect to get out of training or within a few months??
Thanks...
I have a few questions & my apologies if they have been asked before..
I am trying to find a place to work which is easily commutable from SMF. I just hit ATP mins, I have no turbine time or prev 121/135 exp.
What are the Junior bases on the CRJ side that a new hire can expect to get out of training or within a few months??
Thanks...
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Excuse the run on sentences and grammar police
You guys bickering back and forth with reserve is going to deter the guys to come in beneath, the plug FO in the company is just as important as the #1 captain, reserve sucks everywhere and I won't jump on you for venting about it
Also just want to let the new guys know the horror stories you hear about captains and FOs with years of reserve is mostly by choice, ATL700 is insanely senior, commuting sucks but one can go from reserve in one base to top 20% in base in some cases. I don't blame guys for not commuting to a line and choosing reserve in base pick your poison. I have to commute no matter what but it's live able
I believe you can hold a line in IAD in under 3 months as they continue to hire two classes a month. Once Daddy D starts full blown hiring soon you'll see mass exodus on the CRJ side.
Hopefully when we get a new TA us veterans remember your time on reserve, I know I do. Years and years and 2 airlines later I will still vote to protect reserve, I hate this screw you pay your dues attitude from some senior guys, we are all on the same team.
And the bashing replies in 3.2.1....
You guys bickering back and forth with reserve is going to deter the guys to come in beneath, the plug FO in the company is just as important as the #1 captain, reserve sucks everywhere and I won't jump on you for venting about it
Also just want to let the new guys know the horror stories you hear about captains and FOs with years of reserve is mostly by choice, ATL700 is insanely senior, commuting sucks but one can go from reserve in one base to top 20% in base in some cases. I don't blame guys for not commuting to a line and choosing reserve in base pick your poison. I have to commute no matter what but it's live able
I believe you can hold a line in IAD in under 3 months as they continue to hire two classes a month. Once Daddy D starts full blown hiring soon you'll see mass exodus on the CRJ side.
Hopefully when we get a new TA us veterans remember your time on reserve, I know I do. Years and years and 2 airlines later I will still vote to protect reserve, I hate this screw you pay your dues attitude from some senior guys, we are all on the same team.
And the bashing replies in 3.2.1....
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#5643
A guy in my class was holding a line directly out of training in IAD. When I thought it was a fluke for first month, he got it again.
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Long commute I've done long ones too it's tough but doable. CRJ seems to be a mix of everything a lot of IAD and ATL200, but seems like you can get anything you want almost out of training even guys trying to get into ATL seem to get it on the next position bid after training if not in training. Supposedly there is going to be a position notice every other month now for upgrades and base changing. I wouldn't worry too much about seat locks in 700 etc seems like they lift the locks a lot
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The company seems hell bent on not upgrading. Even when Delta said here's some flying a couple months ago they told them no, please reduce it, we need to shrink. The future bids will likely be flat as they move people out of Atlanta and shrink as the 717's come online. You say that we will start to see attrition in mass as delta ramps up. That's just not true. Many of our guys want to work for them but we no longer have a large percentage of their classes from our ranks. Flow throughs will prohibit civilian hiring from ASA. Most of the off the street will be military buddies and special hires. Not much space for ASA guys. I just can't be as optimistic as you after so many years of beatings.
It's a good argument to commute from atlanta to bid #15 in IAD, depends who you are. Shrinking of regionals is a GOOD THING long term. The few regionals standing will have the more expensive contracts because go jets and transtates (insert any lowball carrer hear) can't staff. You CANT have the one year upgrade without new FOs. Transtates already showed that slowed way way way down upgrading once the truth is revealed people will stop taking junk contracts to go there
Great Lakes used to have 3 month upgrade, now extended to infinite (disregarding all part 135 BS)
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I've been beat down too, it will change it already is. Again atlanta is very senior but we have other bases, some people spend entire careers commuting blessing and curse to be able to live wherever you want in this career.
It's a good argument to commute from atlanta to bid #15 in IAD, depends who you are. Shrinking of regionals is a GOOD THING long term. The few regionals standing will have the more expensive contracts because go jets and transtates (insert any lowball carrer hear) can't staff. You CANT have the one year upgrade without new FOs. Transtates already showed that slowed way way way down upgrading once the truth is revealed people will stop taking junk contracts to go there
Great Lakes used to have 3 month upgrade, now extended to infinite (disregarding all part 135 BS)
It's a good argument to commute from atlanta to bid #15 in IAD, depends who you are. Shrinking of regionals is a GOOD THING long term. The few regionals standing will have the more expensive contracts because go jets and transtates (insert any lowball carrer hear) can't staff. You CANT have the one year upgrade without new FOs. Transtates already showed that slowed way way way down upgrading once the truth is revealed people will stop taking junk contracts to go there
Great Lakes used to have 3 month upgrade, now extended to infinite (disregarding all part 135 BS)
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I've been beat down too, it will change it already is. Again atlanta is very senior but we have other bases, some people spend entire careers commuting blessing and curse to be able to live wherever you want in this career.
It's a good argument to commute from atlanta to bid #15 in IAD, depends who you are. Shrinking of regionals is a GOOD THING long term. The few regionals standing will have the more expensive contracts because go jets and transtates (insert any lowball carrer hear) can't staff. You CANT have the one year upgrade without new FOs. Transtates already showed that slowed way way way down upgrading once the truth is revealed people will stop taking junk contracts to go there
Great Lakes used to have 3 month upgrade, now extended to infinite (disregarding all part 135 BS)
It's a good argument to commute from atlanta to bid #15 in IAD, depends who you are. Shrinking of regionals is a GOOD THING long term. The few regionals standing will have the more expensive contracts because go jets and transtates (insert any lowball carrer hear) can't staff. You CANT have the one year upgrade without new FOs. Transtates already showed that slowed way way way down upgrading once the truth is revealed people will stop taking junk contracts to go there
Great Lakes used to have 3 month upgrade, now extended to infinite (disregarding all part 135 BS)
Eventually we will get on with the majors with tens of thousands of sic hours. By that time, all those who went to TSA/Compass/Mesa/gojets will have upgraded, got pic turbine and advanced to a major well before we were ever looked at. I'm not saying this just to flame. I feel it is just the way some things work. Timing and luck have much to do with this. I tell people this sincerely; never work for a regional, get a different gig when you are young, corporate, mil, etc. Bypass the nightmare. Honestly i think the new FO's will simply go where the upgrade is. Even though the contracts suck at the carriers upgrading, they will be captains so quickly that they will still make more money flying in the left seat then they would flying the right seat at any other regional bar none. It's a tough hiring situation, but SJS is alive and well, it always seems to prevail.
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I agree that regionals shrinking is a good thing. What I am saying is that hiring will be disproportionate. We wont see many guys from ASA getting on with Delta like we used to. Contract or no contract we will shrink in an expeditious manner. I really think that from this point forward the ASA side isn't planning on upgrading. They need FO's and not enough captains are leaving or will leave to justify upgrades in mass (maybe a handfull, under ten or so every three months). They will simply shrink to fit.
Eventually we will get on with the majors with tens of thousands of sic hours. By that time, all those who went to TSA/Compass/Mesa/gojets will have upgraded, got pic turbine and advanced to a major well before we were ever looked at. I'm not saying this just to flame. I feel it is just the way some things work. Timing and luck have much to do with this. I tell people this sincerely; never work for a regional, get a different gig when you are young, corporate, mil, etc. Bypass the nightmare. Honestly i think the new FO's will simply go where the upgrade is. Even though the contracts suck at the carriers upgrading, they will be captains so quickly that they will still make more money flying in the left seat then they would flying the right seat at any other regional bar none. It's a tough hiring situation, but SJS is alive and well, it always seems to prevail.
Eventually we will get on with the majors with tens of thousands of sic hours. By that time, all those who went to TSA/Compass/Mesa/gojets will have upgraded, got pic turbine and advanced to a major well before we were ever looked at. I'm not saying this just to flame. I feel it is just the way some things work. Timing and luck have much to do with this. I tell people this sincerely; never work for a regional, get a different gig when you are young, corporate, mil, etc. Bypass the nightmare. Honestly i think the new FO's will simply go where the upgrade is. Even though the contracts suck at the carriers upgrading, they will be captains so quickly that they will still make more money flying in the left seat then they would flying the right seat at any other regional bar none. It's a tough hiring situation, but SJS is alive and well, it always seems to prevail.
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I agree that regionals shrinking is a good thing. What I am saying is that hiring will be disproportionate. We wont see many guys from ASA getting on with Delta like we used to. Contract or no contract we will shrink in an expeditious manner. I really think that from this point forward the ASA side isn't planning on upgrading. They need FO's and not enough captains are leaving or will leave to justify upgrades in mass (maybe a handfull, under ten or so every three months). They will simply shrink to fit.
Eventually we will get on with the majors with tens of thousands of sic hours. By that time, all those who went to TSA/Compass/Mesa/gojets will have upgraded, got pic turbine and advanced to a major well before we were ever looked at. I'm not saying this just to flame. I feel it is just the way some things work. Timing and luck have much to do with this. I tell people this sincerely; never work for a regional, get a different gig when you are young, corporate, mil, etc. Bypass the nightmare. Honestly i think the new FO's will simply go where the upgrade is. Even though the contracts suck at the carriers upgrading, they will be captains so quickly that they will still make more money flying in the left seat then they would flying the right seat at any other regional bar none. It's a tough hiring situation, but SJS is alive and well, it always seems to prevail.
Eventually we will get on with the majors with tens of thousands of sic hours. By that time, all those who went to TSA/Compass/Mesa/gojets will have upgraded, got pic turbine and advanced to a major well before we were ever looked at. I'm not saying this just to flame. I feel it is just the way some things work. Timing and luck have much to do with this. I tell people this sincerely; never work for a regional, get a different gig when you are young, corporate, mil, etc. Bypass the nightmare. Honestly i think the new FO's will simply go where the upgrade is. Even though the contracts suck at the carriers upgrading, they will be captains so quickly that they will still make more money flying in the left seat then they would flying the right seat at any other regional bar none. It's a tough hiring situation, but SJS is alive and well, it always seems to prevail.
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