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05-25-2014 | 05:43 AM
#6141
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From: EMB 145 CPT
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Originally Posted by Nevets
Ok so what is your convenient excuse for not voting to have SAPA as your NMB recognized bargaining unit?
It's not a matter of convince. It is not needed at the moment. I have worked at two ALPA airlines and all that got me was furloughed twice. It kinda defeats your argument that SkyWest is "riding your coattails" when guys who leave ALPA regionals and come to Skywest get pay increases and better QOL. It would be a lot easier to vote in a union if it had benifits, and the only way for that to happen is for ALPA to actually improve their representation of the regionals.
Originally Posted by Nevets
Ok so what is your convenient excuse for not voting to have SAPA as your NMB recognized bargaining unit?
It's not a matter of convince. It is not needed at the moment. I have worked at two ALPA airlines and all that got me was furloughed twice. It kinda defeats your argument that SkyWest is "riding your coattails" when guys who leave ALPA regionals and come to Skywest get pay increases and better QOL. It would be a lot easier to vote in a union if it had benifits, and the only way for that to happen is for ALPA to actually improve their representation of the regionals.
05-25-2014 | 05:49 AM
#6142
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From: EMB 145 CPT
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Originally Posted by Delayed again
I didn't mock them. I simply presented factual information about their deal. At least they are trying to negotiate their own deal. I have been part of an organization drive at skywest and the overwhelming response I got from those pilots was, "Why should I pay dues when I already reap the benefits of ASA's negotiations?" They are classic coattail riders and are not interested in improving the industry, merely riding in the back seat.
If you refer to making $$$ as "Riding the backseat" then yes you're correct. Is there any regional ALPA carrier that hasn't taken it up the arse and/or making $$? I think you'd be hard pressed to find 2 or 3 regional ALPA carriers that fit that bill.
Originally Posted by Delayed again
I didn't mock them. I simply presented factual information about their deal. At least they are trying to negotiate their own deal. I have been part of an organization drive at skywest and the overwhelming response I got from those pilots was, "Why should I pay dues when I already reap the benefits of ASA's negotiations?" They are classic coattail riders and are not interested in improving the industry, merely riding in the back seat.
If you refer to making $$$ as "Riding the backseat" then yes you're correct. Is there any regional ALPA carrier that hasn't taken it up the arse and/or making $$? I think you'd be hard pressed to find 2 or 3 regional ALPA carriers that fit that bill.
05-25-2014 | 03:26 PM
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It's not all about making money. There is the whole safety and security aspect of pilot unions that you guys ride the coat tails. But just imagine what other QOL improvements you could negotiate if only you could truly negotiate. That would not only help yourselves but also the rest of the industry. As it is now, you only get get enough to keep you in the average, never setting any bar on any part of your contract. I'm not necessarily talking about every single section of the contract being the best because that never happens. But if you could get a few really nice things in, it helps others.
05-25-2014 | 03:29 PM
#6144
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you guys are really starting to get boring
05-25-2014 | 03:46 PM
#6145
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Originally Posted by Nevets
It's not all about making money. There is the whole safety and security aspect of pilot unions that you guys ride the coat tails. But just imagine what other QOL improvements you could negotiate if only you could truly negotiate. That would not only help yourselves but also the rest of the industry. As it is now, you only get get enough to keep you in the average, never setting any bar on any part of your contract. I'm not necessarily talking about every single section of the contract being the best because that never happens. But if you could get a few really nice things in, it helps others.
Again, name 2-3 regional ALPA carriers that either make $$$ or hasn't taken some sort of concession???? Are there any?
Originally Posted by Nevets
It's not all about making money. There is the whole safety and security aspect of pilot unions that you guys ride the coat tails. But just imagine what other QOL improvements you could negotiate if only you could truly negotiate. That would not only help yourselves but also the rest of the industry. As it is now, you only get get enough to keep you in the average, never setting any bar on any part of your contract. I'm not necessarily talking about every single section of the contract being the best because that never happens. But if you could get a few really nice things in, it helps others.
Again, name 2-3 regional ALPA carriers that either make $$$ or hasn't taken some sort of concession???? Are there any?
So please stop making these excuses for not voting SAPA as your NMB recognized bargaining agent.
05-25-2014 | 04:27 PM
#6146
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Again, who said anything about ALPA? Each mec is independent on what they negotiate in their contracts. And each negotiation is dependent on the profitability or lack thereof of each respective company. Why is that hard for you guys to understand? It's not astrophysics! During good times, generally you get improvements. During bad times, generally you get erosion. It's simple economics. That's the constant across all different unions, whether it's ALPA, IBT, Apa, regional, major etc. Both regional and mainline ALPA MECs have gotten gains when their companies have been profitable. Same can be said of all the other pilot unions. THE constant is not the letters in the name of each independent pilot group, it's the economics of the particular airline.
So please stop making these excuses for not voting SAPA as your NMB recognized bargaining agent.
So please stop making these excuses for not voting SAPA as your NMB recognized bargaining agent.
SAPA negotiates on behalf of the pilots and they aren't doing that bad considering most other regional are lacking in pay and QOL compared to here.
So tell me again why we just make SAPA an official union? You would still complain that the whipsaw is unfair and we want one lis, and that will never happen.
05-25-2014 | 06:52 PM
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So ASA ALPA proposed a resolution that's against federal law and it passed 100%? Do you have a source for this?
05-25-2014 | 07:36 PM
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If Slats, Nevets, or Captain Tony is not posting on here daily, something is wrong. Welcome to ExpressJet! 
05-25-2014 | 09:15 PM
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SkyWest needs a union, working conditions and policies have gotten worse and are eroding even farther.
But when Moak had the option of stopping the contract at PSA and Endeavor it clearly proves that ALPA cannot represent the regionals.
Would the same thing have happened at Delta?
But when Moak had the option of stopping the contract at PSA and Endeavor it clearly proves that ALPA cannot represent the regionals.
Would the same thing have happened at Delta?
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