Southwest's new VP of Flight Ops is a former SkyWest pilot and SGU native, so let them eat cake.

 

And just for some perspective, who was it that agreed to fly 70 seat equipment for 50 seat rates when it was agreed that 700's would be coming to UAX? It killed the position of pilot groups at other companies that were already flying the type. As well as the ones that were trying to negotiate a rate for 700's should they show up. The SKW 50 seat rate was abysmal to what COMAIR was flying the 700 for at that time And never mind what Horizon for them for.

Again, that's just for perspective. So be careful, and know the history of a "b-scale" as it relates to operating regional equipment.

 

I wasn't here when that happened and I would've voted against it.

 

I don't think that's exactly what happened, but... ok.

 

This is correct. ALPA does not control hiring. The only way ALPA can do this is to negotiate it into their contract. DALPA has started this ball rolling already. The only difference is that it's not 100%. This resolution, if true, would task each MEC to make it 100%.

It's very insidious. But every pilot union is trying to make the profession better for it's members, and non-union pilots. Skywest pilots are not pulling their weight on this.

Imagine how much stronger the union would be with them on board. Maybe there are people of great intelligence within their ranks that could've helped with those to situations or future instances.

For sake of argument, let's say that aren't doing ANY harm. The fact is that they are not helping though. They are just sitting on the sidelines while others are fighting battles that affect them.

I believe that it's not exclusive to ALPA. It's "union" carriers. That's how the op made it sound like at least. And I don't see anything wrong with that. I suspect that only non-union pilots would have a problem with that.

SWA isn't an ALPA carrier so this resolution wouldn't apply to them, obviously.

But at some point, the case is going to be made to turn ALPA into something very similar to CAPA. Then you will have saw and all the independents making these types of policies.

Yes, just like the PSA pilots that voted no. But somehow you guys feel you are better than them.

 

I love where this forum has went. Since ALPA has done such wonders for the regional carriers. If it were beneficial for Skywest to vote in a union it would happen, but yet the pay and QOL here is much better than the majority of the regional airlines. When ALPA shows that their representation is worth paying for it might happen, but we all know that ALPAs only concern is the legacy carriers. How else would ALPA national recommend that locals accept concessions?

 

Ok so what is your convenient excuse for not voting to have SAPA as your NMB recognized bargaining unit?

 

It's not a matter of convince. It is not needed at the moment. I have worked at two ALPA airlines and all that got me was furloughed twice. It kinda defeats your argument that SkyWest is "riding your coattails" when guys who leave ALPA regionals and come to Skywest get pay increases and better QOL. It would be a lot easier to vote in a union if it had benifits, and the only way for that to happen is for ALPA to actually improve their representation of the regionals.

 

I didn't mock them. I simply presented factual information about their deal. At least they are trying to negotiate their own deal. I have been part of an organization drive at skywest and the overwhelming response I got from those pilots was, "Why should I pay dues when I already reap the benefits of ASA's negotiations?" They are classic coattail riders and are not interested in improving the industry, merely riding in the back seat.

 

If you refer to making $$$ as "Riding the backseat" then yes you're correct. Is there any regional ALPA carrier that hasn't taken it up the arse and/or making $$? I think you'd be hard pressed to find 2 or 3 regional ALPA carriers that fit that bill.