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Old 08-27-2014 | 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by FSUpilot
so far 10 ERJ's have come off contract... all United signage and logos are gone.. 6 have been flown to Kingman for storage. I'm sure the rest, as they are parked, are headed to Kingman as well. Even heard a few have buyers lined up already. United sure seems to be doing a good job of finding other pilots/competitive companies to fly them! Maybe you're right... but so far it doesn't seem that way.

The ones flown to Kingman for storage aren't all the crappy EP models either.. Ive seen an LR or two parked now as well.
My crystal ball sees a number. 11/14
Old 08-27-2014 | 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by air101
They aren't your planes, they are owned by United. They will find someone to fly them cheaper

They are leased by UAL (all but 8 of them that they do own) but they are committed to xjt by the CPA. Once the leases expire, then it's fair game for UAL to do what they want with them.
Old 08-27-2014 | 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Captain Tony
ALPA's attorneys have determined that would indeed be a violation of ALPA's Constitution & Bylaws. But thanks for bringing us last month's news. As usual.

The attorneys don't have the power to interpret the constitution and bylaws. Only the EC has the power to do that. But I'm sure you knew that.


Originally Posted by Captain Tony
The guy I flamed was trolling and you know it.

You guys want me to stop going online to defend our side from the idiotic attacks their side sends Nevets and his buddies to make? No problem.

Right now we (L-ASA) are under attack. Our QOL (quality of life) is under attack. L-XJT will do anything to keep their outliers, and lately their tactic has been to sell our PBS (and the QOL it gives us) for their outliers, by offering the company a system they know will save the company money at the expense of our QOL. Not only that, they have made a concerted effort to bring this fight directly to the L-ASA pilots, telling them only one side of the story. If you like your PBS and your QOL, it's time to support your MEC and let management know. Because right now, they're telling management we don't care and will take anything. They're claiming the ASA pilots don't support the MEC.

I'm out here fighting for you. I'm sorry if you don't like my tactics. Please feel free to replace me, and I'll gladly go back to my cushy flying job.

I have no insider information. I'm viewed as an information liability, which is fine by me anyway. So don't start makings things up again of what you know nothing of. That's mostly what you do here. You can say whatever you want about what I write here but the fact is that you are the one appointed by the ASA MEC to the joint negotiating committee. So who is the one being sent here to attack?

Look, we had a process agreement that your MEC agreed to before. They can put that agreement back into the next TA. But your MEC has changed their mind and want to fight this out again. If your MEC would just agree to a previously agreed to process, none of this would even be an issue. So don't try to blame anyone else for your MEC's change in stance because the fact is (and you don't dispute it) that the xjt MEC even agree to make the vote equal strength to move forward. But your MEC won't even agree to that! It is a VOTE, not an offer to the company to throw your flight line away in exchange for something in return. Where do you come up with this crap?

As for "outliers" how is us wanting the best parts of our contract any different from you wanting flight line? Hypocrisy much? Both MECs are doing what's in the best interest of THEIR pilots. But only the ASA MEC throws a fit about it when the other does it.

As for bringing this to the ASA pilots and telling them only one side of the story, this is the first I ever hear of that. Our MEC hasn't said anything about talking to your guys about anything. In fact, it's the other way around! And even if it is true, aren't you guys smart enough to know that it would be one sided. And if they are telling management that they will supposedly take anything (which doesn't make sense because previously you said we want to keep our "outliers"), then it will be voted down again.

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Old 08-27-2014 | 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Bozo
My crystal ball sees a number. 11/14
Explain... math is not my strong suit. or is that a date?
Old 08-27-2014 | 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by EMAW
Lxjt doesn't want FLIGHTLINE because they'd sacrifice QOL. LASA doesn't want smartpref because they'd sacrifice QOL. Something is fishy here. I think with the right work rules either one would work. Bottom line is, I'm not sacrificing QOL or compensation to work here.

At this point I would take flight line if we kept our "outliers" (catptain Tonys favorite management term he has adopted).
Old 08-27-2014 | 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Bozo
My crystal ball sees a number. 11/14

Skywest Inc's crystal ball, as of the last earnings call says:

lose 156 airplanes in next 18 months:

this remaining year TOTAL 56: 4-skywest, 17-ASA,35 XJT

Next year TOTAL 100: 21-skywest , 20-ASA, 59-XJT
Old 08-27-2014 | 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Nevets
They are leased by UAL (all but 8 of them that they do own) but they are committed to xjt by the CPA. Once the leases expire, then it's fair game for UAL to do what they want with them.
CPAs can be are are regularly amended with a handshake and the stroke of a pen. Just saying. I hope that plan B and C Is ready.
Old 08-27-2014 | 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Captain Tony
CPAs can be are are regularly amended with a handshake and the stroke of a pen. Just saying. I hope that plan B and C Is ready.

Yes, but if the CPA is at such a rock bottom block hour rate, why would UAL agree to anything that wouldn't benefit them?

Plan b done, still working on c. How about you? Do you have a plan b?
Old 08-27-2014 | 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Nevets
Yes, but if the CPA is at such a rock bottom block hour rate, why would UAL agree to anything that wouldn't benefit them?
They want to consolidate and eliminate feed. ExpressJet wants out of unprofitable CPAs ASAP. Sounds like mutual goals to me. I think ERJs are going to be parked a lot faster than some thought.
Old 08-27-2014 | 05:24 PM
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If they lose erj's and are losing crj's what will happen to an extremely senior regional pilot group? Or are we just going to completely ignore why Skywest needed to merge both companies for them to have a viable future? You guys can keep thinking it would be nothing but unicorns and flowers if the Erj side wasn't around but you weren't profitable immediately before the merger and you were projected to be losing money going forward. Without a successful merger and a substantial fleet no one will have a job. 20 yr captains are an "outlier" for a regional ... See how the ignorance goes both ways?

Is a Pbs system that requires a team of people (on trip loss) to manually globalize the results an outlier? Name another Pbs system that is that inefficient with only three bases? How many people will need to be not flying for a 10 base operation? Wake the hell up. The ASA side should be demanding intelligent representation instead of the same ignorant blabbering that they had before.
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