Originally Posted by PeezDog

We don't run the current work rules. We run it with what we agree to in a ratified TA and with the same rules. No different set of rules, the same for everyone, just a different pbs system. So yes, it wouldn't be compatible with your current work rules, because they won't be the same work rules you have now

Originally Posted by atrdriver

Why would you want different (worse) work rules? SmartPref doesn't work with CDOs. Do you suggest our work rules change to disallow CDOs?

Originally Posted by atrdriver

Why would you want different (worse) work rules? SmartPref doesn't work with CDOs. Do you suggest our work rules change to disallow CDOs?

Originally Posted by Nevets

Who said CDOs don't work with smartpref? I'm almost positive I heard the erj scheduling committee chairman say on the last conference call that it does work with CDOs.

Originally Posted by TheBlueBaron

In our MEC conference call a few weeks ago it was stated it would not work with CDOs.

Originally Posted by PeezDog

I'd like to point out that the paper titled, "A Plan is a Good Start" under the ALPA shenanigans thread, sounds an awfully a like our current contract negotiations. Its uncanny in some circumstances. Specifically the one side (CAL) stalling and/or blocking the negotiation process to for the benefit of its own pilots. While at the same time, hurting the whole pilot group and diminishing their leverage we would have otherwise as a unified group. To summarize for those who didn't read the paper, CAL ALPA stalled because they were afraid of an SLI while at the same time benefiting from a whipsaw against the UAL pilots. CAL was getting more airplanes, more routes and hundreds of upgrades at the expense of UAL pilots. Adding fuel to the fire, was ALPA national being in bed with management and the NBM. Why in our TA, did you not take a single concession and push that sham of a TA like it is the second coming of Jesus? While the rest of us go nothing or less, especially the ERJ side.

To me (CRJ pilot), from the rhetoric that's been that's been spewed on here by supposed ASA union reps, and the hate that now spread into our cockpits, it sounds like you guys have gotten into to bed, very comfortably with management. That you, at the expense of the ERJ guys, are snuggling up with them to secure gains for yourselves. Either financially, or for your careers by securing management positions, or both. Which I guess would go hand in hand. By saying that there are "big announcements coming soon", and we are making plans that do not include the ERJ side, you are confirming that.

When I used the fatigue policy after 14 hours on duty, I got call from our union fatigue rep. This has never happened to me before or after this event. He, with out actually using the words, accused me of using the fatigue policy to get out of doing work, and that I was "frustrated" by the events of the day. Also, that he and the company rep both agreed with that assessment. Needless to say, I was furious. I followed up that with a call to the company fatigue rep who works with the union on fatigue calls. Now what the discussion that followed was almost verbatim to what my union rep and I discussed. So if you (ASA ALPA) are not in bed with the company, then why would you sound exactly like them and not stick up for your pilot and side with the company?

Now, we have the current events. After over 3 years, we get a TA. All be it a worthless one, but we got one. Now 10 months or so after, we have no progress. Now we have a propaganda campaign aimed at belittling and aliening the ERJ side, and promoting the sentiment over on the ASA side of leaving them to rot. While at the same time clamming that the CRJ side is going to benefit from some mystery announcement and that "our future is so bight I need sunglasses", as put by one of you on here. Do you know how that sounds? The message you are sending about you morality as person and a fellow pilot. What about our other reps? As someone who is expected to display professionalism at all times? What are you doing behind closed doors we do not know about?

In my opinion, as observed by me because of your (ALPA) actions, past actions, and history as shared with us through other that have been there, you are in bed with our management. You are looking out for yourselves and yourselves alone. I caution everyone to question and be very suspicious of the people in our, the ASA MEC. As put by the founders of our country, we are strongest as a Union. Why are you trying to divide us? That's a tactic taken by management, not labor unions. Again giving evidence to my point that you're in bed with management. They are already winning and you are too stupid to see it. And by them I mean our company and mainline. They would "choose" us because they know you are weak. They know you are greedy. They know they can get away with a ****ty contract and no improvements if they eliminate the "expensive" and "militant" side. And you are buying in.

Why would I care if I benefit from us selling out the ERJ side and getting more planes and upgrades? Because this is the exact behavior that had degraded this profession. This is the exact behavior we need to stop. It needs to stop because our future as airline pilots depends on it. Our lively hood depend on it. If we keep selling out and undercutting fellow pilots. then this free fall will never stop. Not to mention, that these questionable people who are in our Local, will someday end up in ALPA national. Who is also in bed with airline management. They will be working on things that can effect all airline pilots' our lives for years to come.

Captain Tony, JoeMerchant, Bozo and friends, I am calling you out. One of you please PM me, and explain to me why your are spreading this garbage as a rep of my union that I pay a lot of money to represent me. Not only at the local level, but a national level as well. Hell, if you want, I will PM you my number and you can call me. Prove me wrong. I understand the PBS argument, but I fail to buy into this stall tactic. How can this be the ONLY hold up to our TA? How come there has not been a resolution to this issue put forth after all this time? Just an occasional short email advocating for our PBS system. You have had 4 years!

Originally Posted by Nevets

The only reason why we are discussing this again is because the ASA MEC has decided to change their mind on something they already previously agreed on.

Originally Posted by Nevets

The erj MEC tried to address the ASA MEC issue by agreeing to make it a weighted vote in order to make it "fair" yet their MEC reneged on that.

Originally Posted by Nevets

Now the erj MEC has convinced the company to have two PBSs in perpetuity

Originally Posted by Nevets

but that seems to not be good enough for the ASA MEC either, judging by that last email. So why are we still talking about PBS? It's not for the lack of effort on the erj MECs part, that's for sure.

Originally Posted by Nevets

The erj MEC will either not be able to negotiate work rules to their satisfaction and decide to just go with flight line, or the ASA MEC will agree to have two separate PBSs, or the erj MEC will be able to negotiate work rules in order to at least send it out for parallel bidding and a ratification vote. If that happens, the issue will go to arbitration. If the Asa MEC wins the arbitration, then we go with flight line. If they lose the arbitration, then we would wait and see if they continue to try to fight it through some other grievance.

Originally Posted by Nevets

So the process is there for this to resolve itself in a number of different ways. Let's let the MEC do what they feel is best for their pilots (with their pilots input of course) and see what happens. So let's not take it personal.

Originally Posted by Nevets

Who said CDOs don't work with smartpref? I'm almost positive I heard the erj scheduling committee chairman say on the last conference call that it does work with CDOs.

Originally Posted by Nevets

Who said CDOs don't work with smartpref? I'm almost positive I heard the erj scheduling committee chairman say on the last conference call that it does work with CDOs.