Originally Posted by Bartender

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Originally Posted by crflyer


Because who in Atlanta bought XJT?

Both airlines would have been better off separate. This management and the rest of the operation is in WAY over their heads.




LXJT would be out of business by now and we wouldn't be dealing with their shenanigans.

Originally Posted by RgrMurdock

I know I'm thread drifting a bit here. I asked a question previously about smart pref which is the PBS system being entertained by expressjet. Anyone that has any experience with this... does the real time bidding give an incentive for people to try to change / modify their bids at the last minute? Or are people generally happy with what they see? I know this is a small percentage of pilots because you currently utilize the program for build up / composite line holders.

Originally Posted by RgrMurdock

I hear everything you're saying. I'm just trying to play devil's advocate here. If you did bid early, and then you receive 5-10 emails that your bid just changed, wouldn't that give you incentive to go and try to fine tune your bid to make it look like you wanted when the instant bid award came out? Times that by 100's of people and things can get pretty crazy. Again, I'm just trying to play devil's advocate and assume the worst case scenario.

Originally Posted by RgrMurdock

Has this system not been implemented just because of the craziness of the merger? Is it because of the vacation bid low on the ASA side? Even if it is because of the ASA side not wanting it, I thought this system was in place well before the merger but possibly was not considered to go live with the whole expressjet side? Why was that? I'm not trying to argue for one side or the other. I'm just trying to gather the facts here.

Originally Posted by flyguy94

LXJT is going to cease to exist in June? I will report back in June and let you know how it's going. Your rumors are false and your generalization of LXJT is ridiculous



We have received some questions from pilots that indicate there is misinformation in circulation about the content and results of the meeting on Wednesday. The facts of the meeting are as follows:



· ALPA presented the Company with selected information from the polling data regarding pilot perceptions of the condition of the Company, pilot opinions of management, and general expectations for a new JCBA.

· The parties discussed shortcomings of previous communications efforts and how each side intends to better explain the process and the outcome to pilots.

· The parties discussed current operational problems and contract compliance issues. The Company acknowledged that the pilots need to see results in these areas and is working to make that a reality.

· ALPA clearly stated that concessions of any kind in the JCBA are not acceptable.

· The Company acknowledged that improvements must be made to the failed agreement; a reorganization of the failed JCBA’s overall value would not work.

· The Company asked to begin negotiations as soon as possible.

· The parties committed to continue the negotiations process without delay.

· The parties mutually agreed on the June dates for exchange of full proposals..

While a waiting until June to continue is not ideal, several important factors contributed to this decision:

· Developing an opening proposal is a complex and important task. Openers set the tone for a negotiating process, and just like a first impression you only get one chance. Because we will be developing new proposals and not just rehashing the terms of the failed JCBA, this will take more time.

· The online survey of the pilot group is still in progress, and proposals cannot be developed until analysis of the survey is complete. If you have yet to do so, please take the survey now.

· The two MECs have yet to meet together to discuss specific JNC guidance for negotiations and to determine a single position on new JCBA issues. We will not present openers to the Company until our positions have been vetted and approved by both MECs.

· There is currently a recall vote in Council 176, and the XJT MEC strongly believes that a decision on openers must be delayed until that process is complete so the pilots of 176 are properly represented.

Originally Posted by Squawk87

Nice try... Why to fall for management tactics again? WE (xjt and asa) were so unified, and now after one negotiation session it seems that management is achieving it's goal to divide us again! I expected more from you (as someone who was so vocal during our TA voting)! We need to keep supporting each other and stop the mudslinging... I was under the impression that someone like you will call managements bluff.....

P.S.

L-XJT will still exist in 3 years... Many of the UA CPAs don't expire before 2020.... Who cares that UA is unhappy? When you cook a meal with expired ingredients (because they were cheaper), later don't complain that you have a diarrhea!!

Originally Posted by air101

Also, Inc. is not interested in ridding itself of flying for Delta or United so whoever cast this scenario is mistaken. They don't have all those aircraft on order/options for no reason and they aren't all for AA. In fact, none of them are at this time. They will continue to be the largest regional carrier for DL/UA for many years to come. That's what their business model is predicated on. market share.

Originally Posted by Waitingformins

How do think the layoffs would occur especially since it will have been one company for 4-5 years. Seems like the company wouldn’t be able to lay off an xjt 2011 hire and keep a 2014 ASA hire.

Originally Posted by freezingflyboy

For the record, relief/composite/buildup lines as well as all reserve lines are currently being built with SmartPref. So currently 20-25% of L-XJT pilots are using SmartPref.

The only incentive I can deduce for bidding late is for the guys that just want to be a dikc. If your seniority will hold it, it can hold it, whether you bid the minute after SmartPref opens or the minute before it closes. There's no gamesmanship to be had, near as I can tell. Now, if you're the kind of guy that gets a hard-on from blowing up other people's bids at the last minute...well then...maybe you need to evaluate what's going on in your life and your mind that makes you want to act that way.

When I weigh the pros and cons, I keep trying to relate SmartPref to line bidding and traditional PBS bidding. With line bidding, it doesn't matter when you or people senior to you bid because if your seniority will hold it, it will hold it. Same with SmartPref. Difference is sometimes with line bidding you get surprised if people senior to you "bid down" or forget to bid. No surprises with SmartPref as it's a "live bidding environment" (company shenanigans aside). The advantage with SmartPref is that if someone senior to you does come in and blow up your entire bid, you will see it and have the opportunity to tweak your bid and hopefully salvage something that will work for you. Not so with traditional PBS, or even normal line bidding, when you think about it.