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#701
Originally Posted by skigambia
Unless you can hold top 20%, reserve in base kicks the crap out of commuting to a line.
#702
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2011
Posts: 205
Yeah, kinda wish I knew that before I signed up... Honestly, if I have to go back on reserve and commute, I may resign first. That was miserable. Making it worse is that because our bid packets are screwed up, I don't know my actual in-base seniority.
#704
I really can't believe pilots (Regional FO's to be more specific) have gotten used to and have justified the sacrifice of commuting. Spending a whole day getting to work and back or doing the carpet dance when something occurs that is out of your control is hardly worth 20 bucks an hour. What a culture. Talk about living to work. I try to work so that I can live. Otherwise what is the point. I guess telling skeezy chicks at a bar that you are a regional aviator is still worth it .
Because after 5 stagnant years, I would commute to Hawaii from ATL if it meant an upgrade
#705
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Joined APC: Aug 2008
Position: FO4LIFE
Posts: 1,531
Even on Captain pay it's not worth it, at least on the regional level. My QOL and spending time at home is more important.
The issue with DTW is there are very few commutable trips. Lots of early duty ins before 7am and even some late duty-outs like 10-11pm. You get a couple of non-commutable 4 days, add a day before/after the trip and you're now at a 6 day trip. So much for your extra days off as a line holder.
I can already see this unfold, because it's already happening. Lots of people *****ing about the commute, lots of people trying to trade/swap for the few commutable trips and the commuter calls will increase and more people will be put on reserve and once again the junior guys get screwed.
The issue with DTW is there are very few commutable trips. Lots of early duty ins before 7am and even some late duty-outs like 10-11pm. You get a couple of non-commutable 4 days, add a day before/after the trip and you're now at a 6 day trip. So much for your extra days off as a line holder.
I can already see this unfold, because it's already happening. Lots of people *****ing about the commute, lots of people trying to trade/swap for the few commutable trips and the commuter calls will increase and more people will be put on reserve and once again the junior guys get screwed.
#706
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Joined APC: Oct 2008
Posts: 195
Well personally, I hate living in ATL. I can either live where me and wife want to live and commute to a line, or live in base on reserve.
Everybody's situation is different. Being able to commute to work is a privilege.
Everybody's situation is different. Being able to commute to work is a privilege.
#707
Commuting via aircraft is sometimes the only way to do it, but honestly I can't justify living in an airplane over getting used to the home I have made a short distance from the airport I'm based out of.
I wonder if my dad could find a way to get used to sitting behind a desk before he came to work for 12hrs not even knowing if that desk would make it to the desk he needed to go to. Then rush through all of his work cutting corners disregarding important life critical things so that he can stress out about there being a seat behind this desk that might be able to bring him to his home for another 12 hours. Only to find that this desk has a broken leg and 8 other desk people waiting for that ergonomically positioned seat. Better luck tomorrow.
Seems stupid. But at least he gets paid for every minute he does work and is respected for what he does for his company. And he didn't have to to invest years of his time and money just to do it.
I think it's because he has self worth and never allowed his employer to know that he really likes his job. Two things they will play against you.
Just another view of life from a different set of eyes. Don't hate.
#708
Can't abide NAI
Joined APC: Jun 2007
Position: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
Posts: 11,993
A favorite story from ASA.
My commuting FO enters the flight deck, sweaty, out of breath and disheveled. Says his commute was a nightmare. I reply "this job isn't worth commuting for." He deadpans, "if it isn't worth commuting for, it sure isn't worth moving for."
He was correct.
Done it, did it, have the T-Shirt. Would not want to have to again. Someday it will be worth it though.
My commuting FO enters the flight deck, sweaty, out of breath and disheveled. Says his commute was a nightmare. I reply "this job isn't worth commuting for." He deadpans, "if it isn't worth commuting for, it sure isn't worth moving for."
He was correct.
Done it, did it, have the T-Shirt. Would not want to have to again. Someday it will be worth it though.
#709
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Joined APC: Mar 2012
Position: Gear Slinger
Posts: 708
ATL-IAD isn't that bad of a commute at all, even with Air Tran pulling out. Worst case scenario you go to DCA (which I've only done once due to a cancelled flight) and hop over to IAD via the metro and Washington flyer bus. $6-7, cheap stuff. Good deals on hotels can be had too. I'd say on average if I get a hotel, the price out the door is around $65 or so.
For instance, I have a free crashpad with free transportation and free food/beer when I get there if it is ever needed when I can't commute out the same day. I can also pick up trips from the base that I actually live in now that I will be a line holder. I will increase my pay significantly. Unlike most people I actually enjoy my job. I know, *** and I doing on here speaking such sadistic ideas.
75hrs + 200hrs perdiem = $3040
95hrs + 450hrs perdiem = $4170
So really, will I commute to pay my mortgage plus some? Yes.
#710
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Joined APC: Oct 2011
Posts: 205
I can see why everyone is jumping on the 'only dumbasses commute' bus, but you don't always know someone's situation.
For instance, I have a free crashpad with free transportation and free food/beer when I get there if it is ever needed when I can't commute out the same day. I can also pick up trips from the base that I actually live in now that I will be a line holder. I will increase my pay significantly.
For instance, I have a free crashpad with free transportation and free food/beer when I get there if it is ever needed when I can't commute out the same day. I can also pick up trips from the base that I actually live in now that I will be a line holder. I will increase my pay significantly.
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