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Old 10-23-2012 | 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by TopNotch
I suggest everyone reads the last 3 pages of the TPA PDF regarding 'maximum transferrable aircraft' to other Skywest entity.

It's in the yellow MERGE AHEAD link on the ASA ALPA MEC website.

The 2007 contract was amended without your vote. Make up your own mind, on what it says. While your at it; read the whole document.
Nothing prevents them from growing one carrier while the other shrinks as aircraft come off contract....These scope sections are largely written to make naive people feel good......Your aircraft won't be "transferred"...You simply won't grow while others will......
Old 10-23-2012 | 06:49 PM
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By the way....The two best regional scope sections were Comair and Eagle...Take that for what it is worth....
Old 10-23-2012 | 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by afterburn81
I actually had a flight attendant (was fairly new) the other day tell me she truly HATES the Legacy Expressjet people. I asked why and she said it's because they caused us to lose all of our ID-90s. She was very passionate about this. Not really sure what the heck the people of LXJT have to do with our pass benefits in the Delta system but okay.
Not intended to pick on the XJT guys, but we had a pretty awesome ZED system through Delta that was pretty vital for my family. Apparently the XJT side didn't have many (any?) interline agreements, so management developed a "new and improved" ZED system, and when it was announced we lost all of our existing interline travel. At least now we have the luxury of traveling on Estonian Air! Major fail.

Not sure why management had to burn down our premium interline travel program on the ASA side just to placate XJT...
Old 10-23-2012 | 07:28 PM
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Not intended to pick on the XJT guys, but we had a pretty awesome ZED system through Delta that was pretty vital for my family. Apparently the XJT side didn't have many (any?) interline agreements, so management developed a "new and improved" ZED system, and when it was announced we lost all of our existing interline travel. At least now we have the luxury of traveling on Estonian Air! Major fail.

Not sure why management had to burn down our premium interline travel program on the ASA side just to placate XJT...
I'm wondering if the ZED changes coincide with ASA starting UAL express flying.

I was under the impression if your carrier flies exclusively for DAL your carrier can piggy back on their interline agreements, but if you start flying for another code your airline is on its own for interline agreements. That could be totally wrong but that is how it was explained to me last year.
Old 10-23-2012 | 07:43 PM
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I'm wondering if the ZED changes coincide with ASA starting UAL express flying.

I was under the impression if your carrier flies exclusively for DAL your carrier can piggy back on their interline agreements, but if you start flying for another code your airline is on its own for interline agreements. That could be totally wrong but that is how it was explained to me last year.
Possibly the case. But we started our UAX operation in 2009 and my Delta ZED stuff worked until they rolled out the "new and improved" POS system recently. Who knows, but it's a royal pain in my @ss right now.
Old 10-23-2012 | 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by JoeMerchant
Nothing prevents them from growing one carrier while the other shrinks as aircraft come off contract....These scope sections are largely written to make naive people feel good......Your aircraft won't be "transferred"...You simply won't grow while others will......
Shows how little you know. If they want to do that, our CPAs go out for almost another 10 years. You talk this diatribe like our ERJ contracts are up next year.

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Not sure why management had to burn down our premium interline travel program on the ASA side just to placate XJT...
Nice flamebait. Explain to me how destroying a pass travel program "placated" us. I eagerly await hearing this explanation...


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Possibly the case. But we started our UAX operation in 2009 and my Delta ZED stuff worked until they rolled out the "new and improved" POS system recently. Who knows, but it's a royal pain in my @ss right now.
Funny, I just used our ZED agreements to fly all over Asia and Europe recently on KLM, Cathay and Lufthansa. Perhaps you missed the latest memo, but our agreements cover a lot more than just "Estonian Airlines".
Old 10-23-2012 | 08:28 PM
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Correct me if I'm wrong...

Skywest/ASA altered a contract for 20 200's, in order to receive 10 900's.

6 of those 200's are now in Pheonix, flown by Skywest pilots.

There is always a way around the contract.
Old 10-23-2012 | 08:28 PM
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Shows how little you know. If they want to do that, our CPAs go out for almost another 10 years. You talk this diatribe like our ERJ contracts are up next year.
You do realize that CPAs can be renegotiated by those who sign said agreements don't you?
Old 10-23-2012 | 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by TopNotch
Correct me if I'm wrong...

ASA altered a contract for 20 200's, in order to receive 10 900's.

6 of those 200's are now in Pheonix, flown by Skywest pilots.

There is always a way around the contract.
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Old 10-23-2012 | 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by TopNotch
Correct me if I'm wrong...

Skywest/ASA altered a contract for 20 200's, in order to receive 10 900's.

6 of those 200's are now in Pheonix, flown by Skywest pilots.

There is always a way around the contract.
Wrong, only two were ASA aircraft (N885AS and N889AS). The others were SkyWest aircraft. (N407SW, N906SW, N907SW and N468CA)
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