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Old 10-23-2012 | 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Jetlinker
Comes to its senses? Like allowing some ****ty PBS system that you guys are hell bent on?....and save the explanation Joe. We all know that you're unflexible on PrefBid because your QOL is soooooooo much better than what it was, McKnight is the devil, blah, blah, blah....$TFU.
The QOL argument doesn't square very well. ASA pilots are very aware of just how good your line bidding rules are although much of it is extra contractual and slowly disappearing. (Keep bidding conflicts and they are completing you arent they?) However, ASA pilots prefer their PBS over the line bidding you guys currently enjoy. The Smartpref system will harm way more pilots than it helps. Fall into the global constraints and it won't matter how much credit either virtual or real to keep from getting your vacation goal posted. Flightline keeps that vacation extension intact.

The thing Flightline will not keep intact is the current concept of a line divisor. Sadly the ultra senior will have to fly like the rest of us in a tough month instead of being able to pass their hours down the line. My heart breaks. Are you willing to trade your vacation extension away for the top 5 guys to fly 75 hours in a tough month?

No, SmartPref will be a serious killer of QOL of the bottom half of the seniority list in bigger domiciles and many more than that in a smaller base. We don't cling to this out of ignorance. We want to keep it because it WEEKLY LINE BIDDING! How can something that we see as a a bit better than your line bidding be a drop in QOL for your group when we see SmartPref as a huge drop in ability to maximize time off.

McKnight the devil? Keep chanting that. It only diminishes your arguments. If you can't beat the other side with logic make us look like meanies. ASA pilots hate McKnight! That's the only reason they are against SmartPref.
Sorry, not the case. I don't doubt his commitment to his pilots for one second. Disagree, yes. Hate him? No. Thanks for playing.
Old 10-23-2012 | 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by FSUpilot
the regional pilot shortage will be here before you know it... thats what I was referring to.

as far as someone mentioning being "bought"... not that it matters but check two pages back at the bottom of the page.
I stand corrected, it was used.
Old 10-23-2012 | 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Jetlinker
Comes to its senses? Like allowing some ****ty PBS system that you guys are hell bent on?....and save the explanation Joe. We all know that you're unflexible on PrefBid because your QOL is soooooooo much better than what it was, McKnight is the devil, blah, blah, blah....$TFU.
A bit defensive are we?

Get the lube ready because you are about to get it laid on thick.
Old 10-23-2012 | 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by MoarAlpha
A bit defensive are we?

Get the lube ready because you are about to get it laid on thick.
While I don't work for XJT, its people like you that make regionals exactly what they are.
Old 10-23-2012 | 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by SlowATRDriver
While I don't work for XJT, its people like you that make regionals exactly what they are.
Like me? You know me? Do you even know what I'm talking about?
Old 10-23-2012 | 02:27 PM
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I literally feel more stupid after reading the past 2 pages of this thread. What a waste of 2 minutes. You're all morons, we're all getting furloughed and our company is going out of business. That's what's really gonna happen.
Old 10-23-2012 | 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Jetlinker:1281466
Originally Posted by JoeMerchant
No we aren't "all ExpressJet now"....For now there are 2 separate MECs and pilot groups. When your side come's to it's senses, then and only then, will there be on pilot group....
Comes to its senses? Like allowing some ****ty PBS system that you guys are hell bent on?....and save the explanation Joe. We all know that you're unflexible on PrefBid because your QOL is soooooooo much better than what it was, McKnight is the devil, blah, blah, blah....$TFU.
Me and most other L-ASA folks will accept nothing less than our current PBS system, and smartpref is certainly not cutting it. Combined with the other shenanigans I'm hearing the Xjet MEC is doing, I won't feel sorry if you guys get the hammer. Xjet line pilots need to have a stern talk with your MEC before they cost you dearly
Old 10-23-2012 | 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by JoeMerchant
No we aren't "all ExpressJet now"....For now there are 2 separate MECs and pilot groups. When your side come's to it's senses, then and only then, will there be on pilot group....
I'm going to come right out and say it. YOU SOUND LIKE A FREAKING TOOL! Maybe you don't mean to sound that way but the more I read your posts, the harder it is to convince myself that you are just misrepresenting yourself.

I once worked for a company called Atlantic Southeast Airlines. I now work for a company named Expressjet as the name the Atlantic Southeast Airlines does not exist anymore as an airline. If you want to keep pointing your fingers at a someone else instead of trying to rationalize and possibly educate, then you are the problem.

Put yourself in someone elses shoes for a moment. Seriously try to do this. It's hard. But maybe you will understand for a moment.

If you think Jerry decided to buy Expressjet because he felt bad for them, you might be mistakin. He needed someone to strengthen Atlantic Southeast Airlines. ASA needed Expressjet and vice versa.

How about you come to YOUR senses and give up everything you earned so that the LXJET guys don't have to? There's a solution. Give up your contract that you worked for over the years and I bet the company will let the LXJET guys keep what they have. You will see things move real fast. Oh but why should you make a sacrifice? It's so much easier to tell someone else that they need to.

Sounds stupid but that is what you are asking of them.
Old 10-23-2012 | 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by afterburn81
I'm going to come right out and say it. YOU SOUND LIKE A FREAKING TOOL! Maybe you don't mean to sound that way but the more I read your posts, the harder it is to convince myself that you are just misrepresenting yourself.

I once worked for a company called Atlantic Southeast Airlines. I now work for a company named Expressjet as the name the Atlantic Southeast Airlines does not exist anymore as an airline. If you want to keep pointing your fingers at a someone else instead of trying to rationalize and possibly educate, then you are the problem.

Put yourself in someone elses shoes for a moment. Seriously try to do this. It's hard. But maybe you will understand for a moment.

If you think Jerry decided to buy Expressjet because he felt bad for them, you might be mistakin. He needed someone to strengthen Atlantic Southeast Airlines. ASA needed Expressjet and vice versa.

How about you come to YOUR senses and give up everything you earned so that the LXJET guys don't have to? There's a solution. Give up your contract that you worked for over the years and I bet the company will let the LXJET guys keep what they have. You will see things move real fast. Oh but why should you make a sacrifice? It's so much easier to tell someone else that they need to.

Sounds stupid but that is what you are asking of them.
Well said...I mean written...unless you talk when you write...never mind.
Old 10-23-2012 | 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by 3stripes
I would say it's of mild concern, but we're not quaking in our boots just yet. We have agreements in place to convert quite a large number of our 50 seaters to 70 seaters if required. With attrition likely to rise dramatically next year and any phase out of the 50 seaters to take at least a couple of years, I wouldn't expect to see any furloughs as a result.

I would have thought that any new aircraft are likely to be CRJs purely because that's what L-ASA and SKW operate. The 170/175 would certainly be the preference for many of us at L-XJT as we know and like the Embraer product, but as long as they pay me correctly and on time then I don't care what I fly....sadly they can't do that properly at the moment though!
Just a question. I understand about the swap from 50 to 70 seats, however, who's to say the give them to the LXJT side? Was there something about it in the contract that LXJT guys fly them?

I honestly don't know, just wondering what would stop the LASA side from getting them?
The transition and process agreement doesn't allow transfer of aircraft between CPAs.

Well the TPA does say they can move 129 a/c (From XJET and ASA) and start a new company.

That should get us onboard in a hurry.
No it doesn't. But if they transfer theses aircraft to Skywest, 10 pilots per aircraft go with seniority and longevity.

Originally Posted by JustAnotherPLT
Just thinking out loud.

ERJ 50s for CRJ 70s. Have LASA fly them, hire new pilots which would be about the same cost as retraining a LXJT, but are cheaper to use considering first year pay. LXJT starts to shrink, contract FINALLY gets signed and waalllaaa, we have a full merge.

JA's a smart man. He has history with ASA not XJT.
100% agree. They think they hold the cards, they got bought, Jerry isn't in idiot, they don't play ball...well I'm sure it's not going to be the happy ending they were hoping for.
Wait, we aren't the only ones who got bought! But I'm ok with unhappy ending here. I've got plan B. Everyone should have a plan B.

Many L-XJT pilots think their 145s are some sort of a golden goose. I have heard many say they are in no hurry to get a SLI done since L-ASA is losing 50s like crazy. I believe there will be a rude awakening for those with that ideology whenever the United TA is ratified
Either they relax scope and then exercise the larger aircraft replacement clause in the XJT CPA or they keep the limit to 50 seat jets. Personally, I wish they could/would scope everything in with UAL colors.

Originally Posted by frascaflyer
Not allowed per the TPA.
Do you have proof or is this something you've heard? Link/source/PDF? There is a lot of language in many contracts, any way it can be worked around?
The TPA is part of the ASA contract. If you are an ASA pilot, you can look it up.

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