He's not wrong about the point he is making....ASA/Skywest renegotiated their CPA with Delta...The XJT CPA can also be renegotiated.....

 

Completely false. Where do you get your information? 6 ASA 200s were part of the 15 or so SKYW US Airways PHX 200 flying. Our MEC filed a grievance.

 

So you LXJT guys think your scope and airplane protection is iron clad? Like previously stated, it's to make you feel good. You think management doesn't know ways around this? But I'm sure us line pilots must know the small print so well in these contracts that we are willing to bet a fight on it...especially in these important online discussion forums. Keep it up LXJT guys, keep it up.

 

You make it sound so simple. You forget we have leases on the aircraft to go along with the CPAs. You really think the company can work out such a complex deal that would likely cost them thousands in penalties just to try and violate the TPA? Not to mention the fact if they did this, our union would sue the company and would win.

United isn't desperate to pull fifty seat feed like Delta. In fact, they just signed a 3 year CPA with Chatauqua for a few more ERJ's a few months ago. Since they can't (yet?) add more 70 seat feed, I don't see them renegotiating our ERJ contracts willingly.

On top of all this, the USAir CRJ's are irrelevant to this. Those airplanes are being flown at low rates because it's better than them sitting in the desert. It also shows that renegotiating leases is not as easy as you make it out to be.

 

Delta wants to shed fifty seaters, United does not.

 

It's a section of an old SEC filing I had. Check out the tail numbers, they are legit; 4 were SKW and 2 are ASA. If there are more aircraft I am unaware of, I stand corrected.

 

OK Junior...Despite the fact that we have already played this game, I guess you will have to play it for yourself....I'll be watching, but I already know how it ends...

 

PLEASE STOP AND LISTEN!!! We can sit here and discuss this psycho-babble all we want; but the choice we make right now will dictate whether or not we are going to be 1 of the 2 or 3 regionals(IMHO,) that may survive the next 15 years! As of right now, we are sitting better than almost any "regional" carrier. We have economies of scale, a great management team, and mostly long-term CPA's with our mainline partners.
While I do agree that this in-fighting is very unproductive; I feel proud that most of us have some sense of brand loyalty, and are not giving up without a fight. What we need to do from this point on is to come up with a solution that is mutually agreeable. Of course it isn't going to be easy, considering differences in our current contracts, but I am pretty sure we can all agree that standing alone will NOT be an option! Yes, I am a L-ASA guy, but I came from a now defunct airline, and want to only see good things happen!
I am not sure of all the gory details from the current negotiations, due to a non-disclosure agreement, but from the rumblings around the way, L-XJET MEC is looking for around a 15% raise! Yes that is right! While most big time "regionals" are now bankrupt, and getting stuck with Judge imposed pay and work rules (just praying to be around in a year), we are asking for a super significant raise! None of this group is looking for concessions, but I feel we have to find a happy median to be competitive in today's market. "We" are ultimately our own worst enemy; and from what I have heard recently, it isn't going to end pretty if we stay on our current path and continue with the mentality of "we deserve the stars because we are soooo great."
Sorry for the rant; but I feel this thread needs a new direction!

 

... for now...

 

Yea Joe, we understand that. That's what's been happening to your 200s. They can also just come up with a whole entirely new CPA. Those are the loopholes. But JA is a smart man and I don't think he wants labor stride. Besides, he told me he cares about all his employees.

By the way, we are only asking not to take concessions. If we adopt most any sections of your contract, it will be a concession for us. But the other way around would be a windfall for you guys but to you that isn't realistic. So why should we become one pilot group if most of us would take a concession?

You don't even want to know how much they've screwed over the CJT side. It's more than what you are compiling about. And it's not just pass travel. This management seems to want to reinvent every wheel to do things the ASA way and it almost always comes out worse.