What's the Latest at ASA/Expressjet?
04-24-2014 | 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Nevets
Look, the facts still remain that there is a poll still open until tomorrow. The MEC doesn't want to make the same mistake twice by not actually knowing what the line pilot wants, ie absolutely no concessionary TA! There is a new MEC chairman, a new negotiating chairman, a new negotiating vice chairman that need to go through training. There is also two sitting reps in the middle of a recall vote that doesn't end until mid May. Not to mention there is a special election to fill the vacated rep position that the MEC chairman left and there are two other new reps just elected. Basically we cleaned house and it may not be over yet.
You guys don't get to dictate anything. If we need more time, then more time will be taken. If you guys need more time, then more time will be taken. When you finally realize that that's the way it is, then you will be able to stop crying like babies over something you can't do anything about.
I'm not "crying" about anything. I'm ready for this process to get moving again. Our MEC and pilots moved quickly after the No vote. The MEC chairmen resigned within weeks, the CNC chairmen resigned within hours. We moved quickly and are ready, your team didn't. I just want this company and each side to move past all this and move forward. Once we can get the contract, as long as it's good done, the faster the pilots and this company can get this merger behind us.
You have to remember the hardest and most dividing part of this whole merger comes after the contract.
Originally Posted by Nevets
Look, the facts still remain that there is a poll still open until tomorrow. The MEC doesn't want to make the same mistake twice by not actually knowing what the line pilot wants, ie absolutely no concessionary TA! There is a new MEC chairman, a new negotiating chairman, a new negotiating vice chairman that need to go through training. There is also two sitting reps in the middle of a recall vote that doesn't end until mid May. Not to mention there is a special election to fill the vacated rep position that the MEC chairman left and there are two other new reps just elected. Basically we cleaned house and it may not be over yet.
You guys don't get to dictate anything. If we need more time, then more time will be taken. If you guys need more time, then more time will be taken. When you finally realize that that's the way it is, then you will be able to stop crying like babies over something you can't do anything about.
I'm not "crying" about anything. I'm ready for this process to get moving again. Our MEC and pilots moved quickly after the No vote. The MEC chairmen resigned within weeks, the CNC chairmen resigned within hours. We moved quickly and are ready, your team didn't. I just want this company and each side to move past all this and move forward. Once we can get the contract, as long as it's good done, the faster the pilots and this company can get this merger behind us.
You have to remember the hardest and most dividing part of this whole merger comes after the contract.
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Originally Posted by motormadness
I think my post may not have come off correctly. I'm not saying we should drag and stomp our feet like a bunch of kids and demand what we want until we get it. What I'm saying is people are making a big deal over a meeting that's pushed back ONE MONTH. Really? Are we seriously coming into an online discussion to throw tomatoes at each other because one side wants a TA in May or June and the other isn't able to meet until July? Get real guys.
And to add to your RFP comment. ARE YOU SERIOUSLY STILL DRINKING THE COMPANY KOOL AID? The company knows their costs. Period. That was a scare tactic to get people to vote yes. It was the best move they had at the time and it failed miserably.
Well, *two* months because certain folks are dragging their feet.
And no kool aid. Do you honestly think Inc will do anything other than continue to give new CPA flying to SkyWest until we have a JCBA? You're delusional.
Originally Posted by motormadness
I think my post may not have come off correctly. I'm not saying we should drag and stomp our feet like a bunch of kids and demand what we want until we get it. What I'm saying is people are making a big deal over a meeting that's pushed back ONE MONTH. Really? Are we seriously coming into an online discussion to throw tomatoes at each other because one side wants a TA in May or June and the other isn't able to meet until July? Get real guys.
And to add to your RFP comment. ARE YOU SERIOUSLY STILL DRINKING THE COMPANY KOOL AID? The company knows their costs. Period. That was a scare tactic to get people to vote yes. It was the best move they had at the time and it failed miserably.
Well, *two* months because certain folks are dragging their feet.
And no kool aid. Do you honestly think Inc will do anything other than continue to give new CPA flying to SkyWest until we have a JCBA? You're delusional.
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Originally Posted by FSUpilot
so why haven't they done that already then? oh right... they can't staff any new flying. just like everyone else.
So SkyWest adding AA flying in ORD doesn't count? Moving 200s from ASA to SkyWest to accomplish this doesn't count?
The big announcements are just waiting for the E-175 to officially be added to the certificate. So expect a few in mid-May.
Originally Posted by FSUpilot
so why haven't they done that already then? oh right... they can't staff any new flying. just like everyone else.
So SkyWest adding AA flying in ORD doesn't count? Moving 200s from ASA to SkyWest to accomplish this doesn't count?
The big announcements are just waiting for the E-175 to officially be added to the certificate. So expect a few in mid-May.
04-24-2014 | 11:33 AM
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So, how long before a new hire can get either ATL n the crj or IAH on the EMB?
04-25-2014 | 03:49 AM
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How did Luis become spokesman/apologist for the XJT MEC? Have you been appointed to a position or something?
04-25-2014 | 05:34 AM
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No he's just and E-Thug who likes to have arguments with people over the internets. Even if you side with him, he'll flip his stance just so he can continue to argue with you.
04-25-2014 | 06:50 AM
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From: EMB 145 CPT
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Originally Posted by Captain Tony
How did Luis become spokesman/apologist for the XJT MEC? Have you been appointed to a position or something?
No he's just and E-Thug who likes to have arguments with people over the internets. Even if you side with him, he'll flip his stance just so he can continue to argue with you.
Originally Posted by Captain Tony
How did Luis become spokesman/apologist for the XJT MEC? Have you been appointed to a position or something?
No he's just and E-Thug who likes to have arguments with people over the internets. Even if you side with him, he'll flip his stance just so he can continue to argue with you.
04-25-2014 | 07:09 AM
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No, this is the toughest part. The ISL is the easiest part of the whole process. But otherwise I agree whole heartedly. But what you still don't get is that you nor us get to dictate to the other side. So once you can live with that, then you will not be complaining about it. Both sides are doing what they are supposed to, that is, what's best for their pilots as they see it. Until there is one MEC, that will continue to be the case. So you guys need to get over all these conspiracy theories and just do what's best for you while we do the same. It's not personal.
A sentiment i hear a lot from this side is that we dont want to do any new CPA flying for anything less than what our contract provides. I honestly think majority hear are ready to walk if Inc implodes this place. I know I am. And I hope everyone over at ASA is as well.
No, a few old expiring CRJ200s on pro-rate agreements don't count. Now, the 175s, that's a different story.
A sentiment i hear a lot from this side is that we dont want to do any new CPA flying for anything less than what our contract provides. I honestly think majority hear are ready to walk if Inc implodes this place. I know I am. And I hope everyone over at ASA is as well.
No, a few old expiring CRJ200s on pro-rate agreements don't count. Now, the 175s, that's a different story.
04-25-2014 | 08:06 AM
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From: EMB 145 CPT
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Originally Posted by Nevets
No, this is the toughest part. The ISL is the easiest part of the whole process. But otherwise I agree whole heartedly. But what you still don't get is that you nor us get to dictate to the other side. So once you can live with that, then you will not be complaining about it. Both sides are doing what they are supposed to, that is, what's best for their pilots as they see it. Until there is one MEC, that will continue to be the case. So you guys need to get over all these conspiracy theories and just do what's best for you while we do the same. It's not personal.
A sentiment i hear a lot from this side is that we dont want to do any new CPA flying for anything less than what our contract provides. I honestly think majority hear are ready to walk if Inc implodes this place. I know I am. And I hope everyone over at ASA is as well.
No, a few old expiring CRJ200s on pro-rate agreements don't count. Now, the 175s, that's a different story.
ISL is far from the easiest part when it comes to the unity of the pilot group. You've obviously never lived through one.
Originally Posted by Nevets
No, this is the toughest part. The ISL is the easiest part of the whole process. But otherwise I agree whole heartedly. But what you still don't get is that you nor us get to dictate to the other side. So once you can live with that, then you will not be complaining about it. Both sides are doing what they are supposed to, that is, what's best for their pilots as they see it. Until there is one MEC, that will continue to be the case. So you guys need to get over all these conspiracy theories and just do what's best for you while we do the same. It's not personal.
A sentiment i hear a lot from this side is that we dont want to do any new CPA flying for anything less than what our contract provides. I honestly think majority hear are ready to walk if Inc implodes this place. I know I am. And I hope everyone over at ASA is as well.
No, a few old expiring CRJ200s on pro-rate agreements don't count. Now, the 175s, that's a different story.
ISL is far from the easiest part when it comes to the unity of the pilot group. You've obviously never lived through one.
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