We will get some airplanes, but once our cost is set, they can go to the Skywesties and give them the maximum number of airplanes allowed by our scope agreement, and then proceed to violate our scope with more airplanes to their side that we can possibly fight about in court, if ALPA will bother to fight it. So scope is key, how Inc. allocates the airplanes, or figures out how to push pilots to the cheaper side.

 

So me sitting at 6 year FO with over 300+ senior to me to upgrade can pretty much say that upgrading here is never gonna happen

 

I wouldn't bet any money on it. SkyWest want's to get rid of ExpressJet, but its not going to happen as quickly as they want. Y'all are too expensive and without a concessionary contract, you're not going to get any cheaper to operate. Mainline partners certainly aren't going to just willingly pay more for the flying they get today for way cheap, ex: United. You guys may get some improvements in the near term but the goal in the end will be to wind down operations.

 

Don't they basically have what we have? I thought they got our pay plus 2% or something like that. I don't see how their contract is so much cheaper than ours. Maybe I don't understand something about how it works over there. The way this airline has been run the past few years and contracts that were signed with the majors seem to be a higher cost and the biggest expense to this airline. They are the reason we cost so much. I fail to see the peanuts we make as "expensive". That just sounds like an excuse to force concessions. Of course paying your pilots costs money, but to the point you can't afford it?

 

Uh, I don't claim to be Nostradamus, but I believe I just described the likely end of ExpressJet in near perfect detail. I guess I did it in a way that was a little rough on the comprehension end? XJT pilots are going to give no concessions because we are not spineless, and would rather see the end than give one penny to lower this career any further toward the gutter some would welcome without compunction. But they need some airplanes flown in the period between the beginning of the end of XJT and the actual end. Our failed TA had no guarantee of any aircraft or provisions detailing allocation of aircraft between the 2 sides of INC. Scope=ZERO

We will not approve any TA that doesn't guarantee something in terms of aircraft allocation, because we are not believers in management horse5#ft. If/when that TA does happen, with 100% better scope than the first attempt, if there are enough pilots left at that point, we will be minimized to the maximum. Most of us at XJT are fine with this because we will never volunteer to live in the gutter. We know careers will be better for everyone if we refuse.

UAL doesn't really have a choice in not coming to some terms. They will be facing the same problem American is dealing with at Eagle/Envoy right now. Wishful, empty threats with no operators capable of staffing flying, and thus extremely narrow options for carrying out the threats. Maybe if they could somehow evenly distribute the capacity across all RJ vendors, maybe a small chance, but then risking increasingly horrible staffing performance at those carriers. How do you staff a cheap regional where no one wants to worK?

 

The game is shrinkage vs. attrition. You upgrade if attrition above your seniority is worse than shrinkage. I think you will be ok. Lots of junior captins leaving as soon as they can.

 

By your repeated use of "we" may "we" assume you are an MEC spokesperson for the pilot group, conveying an official message Luis? good to know your pilot group is being held hostage by us ASA bullies. I find that statement extremely ironic.

 

Apparently your side is very good at passing off personal opinions as group policy.

 

I think it becomes more obvious every day which side is holding this whole thing up...

 

It seems like we are back to square one.