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Old 11-22-2013 | 09:04 AM
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By the way, the duty rig is still intact. Not sure where you guys were getting that. Its the same as it is now for LASA.

2:1 up to 12 hours and 1:1 thereafter (scheduled only).
Old 11-22-2013 | 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by ohplease!
1. Who cares?!?!? Mainline airlines are making historical profits and paying the guy who empties the LAV more in bonuses quarterly than you'll EVER see...not to mention what the FA's, gate agents and pilots are getting...on top of their nice pay increases.

I certainly don't expect that due to us being FEED and not mainline but, THEIR IS NO REASON TO BE STAGNANT OR BACKSLIDE ON PAY OR BENEFITS.
I don't disagree with your frustration...Believe me I share it. Remember the PID? Remember RJDC? The past 2 decades, the ASA and CMR pilots attempted to prevent this whipsaw within a brand so that this wouldn't happen. However most of the pilots here didn't support any of that. Our national union, combined with our "mainline brothers", helped cause this.

In 1998, I voted NO on the first TA. In 1998, I helped negotiate what was then an industry leading contract because the first TA was far from industry leading. In 1998, our net profit margin was 15 percent. This isn't 1998. In 2013 we currently have the industry leading contract. In 2013 we have a TA that pushes the two industry leading contracts a tad bit further. In 2013 we have no net profit.

I'm as ****ed about this situation as anyone. However it is never good to get emotional when making business decisions.


Originally Posted by ohplease!
It's pitiful you have boxed yourself into such a corner that you will sit there and cower in fear that your job may vanish....
Far from it. I've been preparing to retire early since 2000 as even Ray Charles could have seen this train wreck coming. Either way, the ASA side still probably has 6 to 8 years left in it which is all I need.
Old 11-22-2013 | 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by RamenNoodles
By the way, the duty rig is still intact. Not sure where you guys were getting that. Its the same as it is now for LASA.

2:1 up to 12 hours and 1:1 thereafter (scheduled only).
Read Section 3, 1/A again. Pay attention to the (1) (2).
Old 11-22-2013 | 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by RamenNoodles
By the way, the duty rig is still intact. Not sure where you guys were getting that. Its the same as it is now for LASA.

2:1 up to 12 hours and 1:1 thereafter (scheduled only).
Read more closely ... Duty rig applies to CDOs only.
Old 11-22-2013 | 09:54 AM
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In 2013 we have a TA that pushes the two industry leading contracts a tad bit further.
This is an incorrect statement. You have one industry leading contract that is being pushed into a concessionary one.
Old 11-22-2013 | 12:07 PM
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While we are b!tching about XJT, WHERE'S MY DANG DECEMBER SCHEDULE!? BID CLOSED THIS MORNING AND STILL NOTHING!!!
Old 11-22-2013 | 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by RamenNoodles
Was just chatting with a friend about this and wanted to share:

Section 25.P.2

Captains Flying as First Officers

a. A reserve captain may be required to fly as a first officer if no
reserve first officers are available to fly an assignment.

b. If both crewmembers are on reserve, the more senior reserve
(by pilot system seniority) will designate who will be captain and
first officer.

c. If the other crewmember is a lineholder, he will be the captain.

d. A reserve captain will not be required to fly more than 20 hours
as a first officer in a month.

e. The pilot will be paid and credited as a captain for the first
officer assignment.

f. A pilot retains the responsibility to determine if an assignment is
safe, and may reasonably refuse an assignment to fly as first officer.
FWIW, this is already in the L-XJT contract. BS yes, but it's in there.
Old 11-23-2013 | 06:26 AM
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Joe Merchant is wasting his breath trying to convince us to vote yes since he pledged months ago to vote yes for anything. That makes his opinion on the specifics irrelevant. He would have voted yes anyhow.

I'm voting no. This is insulting. I calculate a 20% loss in direct pay over the life of the contract. And I hope nobody like to go grab a beer on the overnight... that's one of the few remaining perks of this job. Now you'll check your messages at the bar at 2300 and find out your 1500 show has become 0900. And you're disciplined if you don't self notify and accept it.
Old 11-23-2013 | 06:28 AM
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And I'll really enjoy being an FO for John R, Art, and Linda when I go back on reserve thanks to the 10% min res with no penalties, but no max. Read between the lines there folks... I predict 30% of the company becomes the new norm.

No vote from me. Go ahead and shut it down if this is the best you can do. You don't deserve to run an airline.
Old 11-23-2013 | 08:22 AM
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Posted in the wrong thread again..
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