There would be a representational vote. The pilot group would end up being SAPA, ALPA, or non-union. There would also be negotiations for a contract or take whatever they give us if we are non-union. In my opinion,it would be a good thing for all the pilots.

We got an email from both MEC chairmen saying they passed a resolution stating the they had an AIP. Resolutions require votes to pass.

 

We got an email from both MEC chairmen saying they passed a resolution stating the they had an AIP. Resolutions require votes to pass.[/QUOTE]

Nevets, although we don't always see eye to eye you are completely correct. This email specified there would be a vote once the final language went out. Tony, I don't know if you are just misinformed or trying to flame up the pilots. Either way, the final language had to be worked out and they will be voting shortly. If... If, it passes the MECs then it will be distributed to the pilot group. I have said this before, and I mean it sincerely; please read the whole contract, make a decision based on what you think is right and what you think is wrong, but for gods sake don't open one section and say definitely yes or definitely no. If you are one of those guys then you are doing yourself, your colleagues, and future pilots a disservice. This isn't about one side or the other, we have to start thinking collectively and stop berating each other. Yes or No, we have to work together from this point forward.

 

Nevets, although we don't always see eye to eye you are completely correct. This email specified there would be a vote once the final language went out. Tony, I don't know if you are just misinformed or trying to flame up the pilots. Either way, the final language had to be worked out and they will be voting shortly. If... If, it passes the MECs then it will be distributed to the pilot group. I have said this before, and I mean it sincerely; please read the whole contract, make a decision based on what you think is right and what you think is wrong, but for gods sake don't open one section and say definitely yes or definitely no. If you are one of those guys then you are doing yourself, your colleagues, and future pilots a disservice. This isn't about one side or the other, we have to start thinking collectively and stop berating each other. Yes or No, we have to work together from this point forward.[/QUOTE]


I'm gonna read the thing right up to the point of the first concession and that's where i'll stop and vote. NO!

Hell, if I'm gonna be any part of ALPA's grand schema of funding mainline contracts on our/my back. Sorry guys but you tuck and run i'm done.

 

I'm gonna read the thing right up to the point of the first concession and that's where i'll stop and vote. NO!

Hell, if I'm gonna be any part of ALPA's grand schema of funding mainline contracts on our/my back. Sorry guys but you tuck and run i'm done.[/QUOTE]

No TA would ever get passed with that attitude. Sometimes you have to give up some scheduling perks for $. Its more about the overall plus vs minus. We shouldn't see pay go down though..

 

Exactly I'm not holding any reservations till I read it myself....All these guys screaming NO based on rumors is a bit childish... The bullsh*t stops when the TA drops!

 

The pay rate is only a multiplier of the scheduling rules. What if the pay goes up for 1/3 of the pilots but goes down for 2/3 of them?

Vote however you want, I'm just asking.

 

No.

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Nevets, as you probably know, ALPA national does the costing in contract negotiations. As critical of ALPA as I am, they actually do a pretty good job costing these things out as a whole package. That being said, IF the total package put together is a cost increase to the company, then is it still a "concessionary" agreement?

 

Don't tell me you are that stupid. Read the whole thing to get the big picture. Don't be one of those guys that sees a $1/hr cut and misses the work rules completely.

You are already doing that, and don't think this contract will be any different. Leave.

 

It wouldn't be the first time Captain Tony either heard incorrectly, had a bad source or made something up.