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Old 11-11-2013 | 05:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Captain Tony
I'm hearing that management stormed in and told the MECs that if they didn't TA/ratify this agreement, 66 CRJ-200s/660 pilots are on the street. Apparently the entire ASA MEC cowered in fear but only 3 of the XJT reps voted yes. AIP reached. Apparently management also threatened to transfer flying to SkyWest. Again.
Your source is not correct. Someone blowing smoke.
Old 11-11-2013 | 06:07 AM
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Well at SkyWest for December on the RJ there are three reserve lines in Denver and zero for Palm Springs. Management knows we cannot handle anymore flying at this staffing level.
Old 11-11-2013 | 06:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Captain Tony
I'm hearing that management stormed in and told the MECs that if they didn't TA/ratify this agreement, 66 CRJ-200s/660 pilots are on the street. Apparently the entire ASA MEC cowered in fear but only 3 of the XJT reps voted yes. AIP reached. No paycuts, 1% raises, with no signing bonus (!). Everything previously discussed conceded on the XJT side, minor reserve improvements for ASA, and vacay low still exists, but only for 1 month, not both when vacation straddles months. IPs apparently get a large bump.

Apparently management also threatened to transfer flying to SkyWest. Again.
I believe about half of this. First, if only 3 XJT reps voted in favor of it then it would fail. Apparently it passed so it must have been at least 5 that were OK with it. Also, ASA still has a no furlough clause so they cant just throw 660 pilots on the street. I also doubt IP's are getting a large bump.

What I do believe is correct is that legacy XJT gave more concessions. Must not be too bad though if their reps approved it. I hope to see some reserve improvements. Its been brutal on the CRJ side. It would be nice to have a "call me first/last" option.

Can't wait to see the details of this agreement. Until then I'll keep an open mind.
Old 11-11-2013 | 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by iflythewest
Well at SkyWest for December on the RJ there are three reserve lines in Denver and zero for Palm Springs. Management knows we cannot handle anymore flying at this staffing level.
this!

How in the world could flying be transferred to SKW anyway? Where are the pilots to handle that? Scare tactics. Anybody read the news blurb on XJT.com this morning? Another scare tactic...

Im really hoping for the rumor that "if this TA gets voted down that management will just merge all three groups"

No Concessions!!!
Old 11-11-2013 | 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by iflythewest
Well at SkyWest for December on the RJ there are three reserve lines in Denver and zero for Palm Springs. Management knows we cannot handle anymore flying at this staffing level.
this!

How in the world could flying be transferred to SKW anyway? Where are the pilots to handle that? Scare tactics. Anybody read the news blurb on XJT.com this morning? Another scare tactic...

Im really hoping for the rumor that "if this TA gets voted down that management will just merge all three groups"

No Concessions!!!
That's the rumor I've heard as well!
Old 11-12-2013 | 08:47 AM
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That's the rumor I've heard as well!
How would this go down down with Skywest being non-union... could they do at that point whatever they wanted... pay rate, integrate... however they seemed fit? Isn't Skywest also in negotiations? I would think this could be a good thing.
Old 11-12-2013 | 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Captain Tony
I'm hearing that management stormed in and told the MECs that if they didn't TA/ratify this agreement, 66 CRJ-200s/660 pilots are on the street. Apparently the entire ASA MEC cowered in fear but only 3 of the XJT reps voted yes. AIP reached. No paycuts, 1% raises, with no signing bonus (!). Everything previously discussed conceded on the XJT side, minor reserve improvements for ASA, and vacay low still exists, but only for 1 month, not both when vacation straddles months. IPs apparently get a large bump.

Apparently management also threatened to transfer flying to SkyWest. Again.
After speaking with several elected reps, it appears that everything I heard is correct except the threat from management and corresponding numbers.
Old 11-12-2013 | 02:54 PM
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No signing bonus?!
Old 11-12-2013 | 03:08 PM
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No signing bonus?!
When you roll like XJT with applicants lining up at the door, you don't need a signing bonus. Until a bad TA is reached... then you need it.
Old 11-12-2013 | 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Captain Tony
I'm hearing that management stormed in and told the MECs that if they didn't TA/ratify this agreement, 66 CRJ-200s/660 pilots are on the street. Apparently the entire ASA MEC cowered in fear but only 3 of the XJT reps voted yes.
Well, either you heard incorrectly, your source made that up, or you made that up. There has been no votes yet. The MECs haven't seen the final language yet. There isn't anything to vote on yet
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