Originally Posted by Lambourne

I am sure you have all the inside scoop on the DL 717 operations It doesn't matter where the positions went for seniority. Did you or DL think that no mainline pilot would bid an airplane to get better seniority or perhaps an upgrade? That would show you and DL mgmnt are out of touch.

As for scope, tell yourself whatever you need to make yourself feel good. RJ's were sold as additional lift versus wholesale replacement in markets.

If the RJ flying was known to be undesirable why did you take the job? If guys like you had said no or asked for better wages to fly those RJ's we would not be having this debate. You had the chance to say NO yourself, yet you took those jobs with the intent of getting one of the mainline jobs you were helping eliminate. I suspect if we went back to 2002-2008 there would not be too many guys like you complaining about your jobs as you saw massive growth. You weren't blaming the mainline pilots for your upgrades back then.

Originally Posted by Captain Tony

What actually caused mainline flying to go to RJs was greedy senior mainline pilots selling off scope for short term gains. So look in the mirror, Pops.

I hear DAL's 717 program isn't going too well... turns out they CAN'T fill 3 mainline planes a day in 3rd tier markets after all, and the operating costs are going through the roof. The pilot positions went senior, maintenance is way more than expected, and fuel burns are much higher than they thought on those short legs.

Small RJs are history. Large RJs are here to stay.

Originally Posted by Hillbilly

The 717 info isn't accurate.

Originally Posted by Hillbilly

The 717 info isn't accurate.

Originally Posted by AtlCSIP

I know they can't fill a 717/737/a319 3 times a day. Never said they could/would. They topic began about cutting or eliminating capacity on less profitable or non-profitable routes. The other poster threw in MLI and 200+ seats. All I did was give an example of an RJ replacement with adequate seating capable for the city he/she used as an example. Lastly, what customers 'want' doesn't always matter. If mainline decides one flight a day in a specific market on a narrow body, the flying public will adjust.

Originally Posted by Captain Tony

Thanks for clearing that up. What an enlightening and insightful post. We'll all just take your word for it.

Nice screen name, btw.

Originally Posted by Lambourne

How is his information any less credible than what you posted? You are on the outside looking in, he is on the inside looking out.

I would love to take you up on the shuffle board offer but I prefer to fly my warbird on the weekends and surf on my Hawaii layovers.

Originally Posted by Lambourne

Do hope you feel better. FYI the legacy bring departments will definitely be asking for an account of your sick time in the interview. They all know the drill and will most likely pass on anyone that has not been at work this week. There are plenty of other mainline candidates to choose from. They don't need any more malcontents than they already have. Feel better and you better hope expressjet stays in business because your job prospective job pool just shrank by a large number.

Originally Posted by Jefferson

I'm I the only one that sees a disconnect with the expensive hobby - 767 Captain spending time on a regional airline e-bulletin board?

Originally Posted by Lambourne

Do you read the major, foreign or cargo threads? If so why?

I read because I find the turmoil in the regional world interesting. Also I don't believe UA would ever subscribe to a flow through. It would need an airline that was providing exclusive lift to UA. Maybe a program similar to what delta is doing with endeavor and the pre-hire but no wholesale grandfathering of unscreened pilots.

Our CFO posted an update to the pilot group touting the elimination of over 150 seaters. That is what is going to happen. There is no magic 11th hour extension coming as many here have supposed.