Hey boy. Go back and read post 583. Talk was about ATL. DTW wasn't even brought up.

 

BAMB...getcha some of that!

 

Enjoy all that 200 growth boys and girls. Can't wait til Delta just decides to eliminate the 200s and you all will be in the same spot as ASA. Left with a few 700s/900s that can easily be transferred off to another carrier. You think Delta likes being in the wholly-owned RJ business? You all can laugh and wet-dream now but I'm about to step away and watch history repeat itself with Endeavor.

 

Someone is butthurt

 

I'm continually amazed by the amount of people that think they can predict the future. Or post as if they have insider information? Which is it with you? There is a saying about history repeating itself, those that don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. Or something like that anyways. It appears Delta has learned, as they have created a very different airline with Endeavor. Please give me your opinion as to why the non wholly owned would be more attractive to Delta

 

1. They (DL) doesn't have to pay for pilot bonuses..
2. Is non wholly owned airline breaks the CPA agreement they can sue them (rember the SkyWest irops deal) don't want to sue your self...
3. Capital expenditures.. buying RJ's hurts big D's credit score.. higher interest on there planes.. Let someone else pay the bill..
4. Corporate insurance goes up...more exposure...

 

Outdated thinking, all those things had more value 5 years ago and beyond.
1) pilot bonuses- that's what's making it work. Do you feel the non-wholly owned can compete with Delta or the American wholly owned in this regard? They're all locked into contracts that would probably have to be renegotiated to make that possible. Good luck with that.
2) precisely why the trend is going towards wholly owned lift. Gives them more control of their product and more flexibility. 200's for example, Delta needs them right now. So why would they want to enter into a long ASA when their plan is to reduce that fleet? Now, that could be bad if there aren't any replacements.
3) I doubt that's much of a concern to Delta these days. Maybe it was post bankruptcy. But Delta's net worth is improving every day. There would only be two carriers that could finance their own equipment. And I don't think Delta wants to lose that control. That would give Skywest and Republic too much leverage.
4) I'm not sure what the difference is here

 

1. If ExpressJet or SkyWest could compete with what a wholly owned carrier paid mayyyybe. But, the fact of the matter is that EDV's, PSA's, ENY's, and PDT's books are soooooo cooked that it doesn't matter. No one has any idea how much any of these companies make or cost probably. So wholly owned carriers will pay more. If SkyWest could have afforded it, do you think they would have raised their pay more than 1%? I think so. Instead they did it in profit sharing, proportional to company success.

2. Its a good thing then EDV doesn't have a CPA agreement with Delta. They say jump, we say how high. They say NYC, we say yessir how much can we shrink MSP and DTW for you.

3. Most of these airplanes are paid for. In case you were wondering. EV also flys DL owned airplanes. So does GoJet. Republic E170s? Delta owned.

4. No idea how this works but I imagine there isn't a huge different between corporate insurance covering EDV versus EV or SkyWest. You know in their policies that they have language if SkyWest does something dumb with a CRJ, just like if Endeavor does something dumb.

 

why are certain names highlighted on the prelim bid?

 

Management pilot or someone who would not be participating in the monthly PBS bid.