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Old 06-12-2017, 05:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Mad Hatter View Post
Let's not forget the ASA pilots took a stand and held firm for too long on work rules and a contract. Their union wouldn't play ball and refused to look at anything with a change in bidding software. Don't think for a second that it's poor ASA and bid Delta behind the curtain pulling the strings. The ASA pilots made a stand and they're living with the consequences. The time to negotiate has passed. The time to leave...... now.
You're forgetting to mention that the ERJ ExpressJet pilot group wasn't exactly helpful either when it came to the bidding software "issue" that started circa 2011-2012. There is a lot of blame to go around but to shame the ASA pilot group for taking a stand on what was a horrible TA is overreaching IMO. You are right about one thing, it is time to leave...

Re: 9E and their bases and who holds what how fast out of training; it doesn't matter, 9E is a better option than XJT by 1000%. 9E has a guaranteed movement mechanism via the DAL interview program, a 2 year upgrade (or less) and a stable future...I can't believe I'm saying it but there is literally no reason why a prospective pilot looking to start/grow/continue and one day advance to a major should choose ASA/XJT, literally not one.
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Old 06-12-2017, 09:07 AM
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You're forgetting to mention that the ERJ ExpressJet pilot group wasn't exactly helpful either when it came to the bidding software "issue" that started circa 2011-2012. There is a lot of blame to go around but to shame the ASA pilot group for taking a stand on what was a horrible TA is overreaching IMO. You are right about one thing, it is time to leave...

You're forgetting to mention that management offered to run two separate bidding systems for a whole contract cycle before the pilots determine which one to go with on the next contract. And then management said they were willing to run two seperare bidding systems in perpetuity to appease the ASA MEC. Lets face it, the union is a democracy. And one side was too afraid to let majority rule. So there is plenty of blame to go around, that's for sure. But I don't think any of that has anything to do with what's happening anyway.
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You're forgetting to mention that management offered to run two separate bidding systems for a whole contract cycle before the pilots determine which one to go with on the next contract. And then management said they were willing to run two seperare bidding systems in perpetuity to appease the ASA MEC. Lets face it, the union is a democracy. And one side was too afraid to let majority rule. So there is plenty of blame to go around, that's for sure. But I don't think any of that has anything to do with what's happening anyway.
True, but that was baked into that horrible TA we all shot down by 83% back in 2014. I just find humorous the "finger wagging" above lecturing the pilot group for not giving in and accepting what was put in front of us and now we "have to live with the consequences" of our actions. Pilots are pilots!
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Old 06-22-2017, 09:05 PM
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Word at Endeavor is that we are not taken the rest of the 200s. Is EV keeping them or is OO grabbing them? Good luck to y'all. I hate what OO and Skywest are doing to the crj side. I JS often to ATL and have only had great experiences on EV. Thank you!
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Word at Endeavor is that we are not taken the rest of the 200s. Is EV keeping them or is OO grabbing them? Good luck to y'all. I hate what OO and Skywest are doing to the crj side. I JS often to ATL and have only had great experiences on EV. Thank you!
The only thing we know is that by October(ish) there won't be a single one at ASA.
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Old 06-23-2017, 05:00 PM
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Probably SkyWest... I keep hearing rumblings from friends over there that an ATL base is imminent. God help us.
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Old 06-23-2017, 06:10 PM
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The main reason these 200's are coming off line at XJT is because they could not work out a profitable CPA with the mainline partners (Delta). If they go to Skywest Airlines you can pretty much deduce the plan was to transfer aircraft all along. If Inc. can't negotiate a profitable CPA at XJT but can somehow do so at SKY, I wouldn't be surprised at all.
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Old 06-24-2017, 09:27 AM
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The main reason these 200's are coming off line at XJT is because they could not work out a profitable CPA with the mainline partners (Delta). If they go to Skywest Airlines you can pretty much deduce the plan was to transfer aircraft all along. If Inc. can't negotiate a profitable CPA at XJT but can somehow do so at SKY, I wouldn't be surprised at all.
Rate reset was done 18 months ago and was/is profitable. At that time UAL, a former SKY INC person, told CC that the 700 where no longer needed. Karma a Bicch. CC then began to scramble to cover the lease payments. Deal with DAL was move some LASA from DTW to LGA, open a base and back fill the DTW flying with former UAL 700s since they already had a/c and crews. Also swap out the 200s at AA for 700s. Icing on cake SKYW would open up a MTC base in DTW. Something DAL want from LASA back in 2013.

As for the 200s. They will not be around after 01012020. The new ADS-B mod for 200 is $$$$. I would bet that they will park them just prior to that date.

These things are baked a long time before they take place. Now the question is what are they, DAL, going to do to replace 200 flying.

Talk amongst yourselves.
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Old 06-24-2017, 09:46 AM
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I don't think the 2nd lowest rate reset was profitable. As for the 200s, the Skywest threads mentions an FOIB that talks about making the 200s ADSB compliant and that some already are.
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I don't think the 2nd lowest rate reset was profitable.
It was that is why we are showing a profit. It would be more but....you've heard the rest.
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