With all due respect many line pilots and instructors also didn't lose a dime also. Many fleets and seats crushed it while others had reduced line guarantees. Thats why they added a bunch of gates with 4.A.2.c in the 2015 CBA. ANC MD11 FO held strong while MEM MD11 FO grabbed all the OT with deadheads to ANC to cover what ANC wouldn't fly In OT. I wasn't even on property during this period but a lot of the old guard has told stories of the haves and have nots of 4.A.2.b.

 

You’re getting your facts confused. There was an agreement made sometime after 4.A.2b was implemented to add the gates you mentioned. These were added to the 2015 contract.

I have no idea what you are talking about in regards to the MD11 FO flying. It is widely agreed that the MEM MD11 FOs held the line in 2006 and helped push the company to the table.

As far as 2015 goes, many of us found it unbelievable the union brought the proposal to a vote. This essentially took peak out of play when we were incredibly undermanned. And even worse, the majority voted for it. Interesting enough, you can’t find anyone that voted for it now...

 

The improvements to 4A2B were part of a settlement in 2011 after we had lost our grievance regarding entering 4A2B with the arbitrator hinting at his willingness to consider how unfairly it was implemented.

It’s always interesting how people rewrite history, even the history they lived through. Even short term history. Here’s a post about 2015, so not quite sure what 2006 MD11 FOs have to do with 2015 MD11 FOs...and the simple truth is some FOs (and Capts) flew a lot, and some will fly a lot during our next negotiations. And as always, it’s not about the money, and the Union never told me to not fly my carry over, not trade up your line and go negative for makeup every month, not fly on my off days for a reserve guy, etc. (Hint-the Union can’t tell Us that until we’re released from mediation. It’s an illegal job action)

The simple truth is FedEx was canceling flights due to no FO or Capt, or both. This website doesn’t have the greatest search capability, but you can still find comments about that. Or about not making it to work as a Jumpseater because the inbound never arrived. Summer of 2015, pretty much every night I arrived for theHUB turn, there were multiple blanks with missing Capts, missing FOs up on the flight board.

And yet, TA2015 is the $$$ Mgt brought to the table.
And still, people express the opinion that Peak would’ve saved us. Imply that FedEx mgt would’ve immediately ponied up more money to make it through Peak.
Still, people never consider all of the values our NC said No to.

There’s no way FedEx would’ve made it through Peak.

Well, shareholders conference Mgt said they had a plan to make it through peak if the TA didn’t pass.
There’s no way, not enough contract lift available.

Well, what if FedEx completely closed the school house for December and sent all the instructors to the line. What if FedEx minimized IOE in December even further? What if, FedEx maxed out the BLG targets.


Yes voter here. Repeatedly said so.

 

I realize you voted for it. Anything the union does is the greatest thing ever!

His post was about 4.A.2b. For some reason, he believed the agreement was made in 2015 and had something to do with MEM MD11 FOs flying Anchorage trips. I simply pointed out that an agreement was made prior to 2015 and it was simply added to the CBA on 2015. I don’t recall any changes made to the 4.A.2b agreement in 2015, but possibly there were some made.

Of course the company said they had a plan for peak 2015. They always say that. I never said we had them by the sack, but we were in the best shape we’d ever been in, and likely they best we’ll ever have. We were short 100s of pilots, and while some were flying draft on every occasion, the company was still having problems filling trips before peak. No way they’d make the flying up with sending instructors to the line (they generally do this anyway).

We settled for a long term contract that most believe was lacking in many areas. I have very little doubt that we’ll do it again. If it’s not acceptable to me, I’ll vote no again. But too many people afraid of their shadow. I hope to be proven wrong...

 

No voter here.

Kronan, why the @#$%^& did you vote yes for that POS?

I remember right before the TA, there were many, many flights being cancelled for lack of crews.

Delta voted no and got a better deal within 6 months IIRC.

We had leverage, and once again, the union ****ed it away.

 

Yep..........

 

A group of those YES voters like to post here often. A significant percentage of those Y votes, were directly influenced by AlbieF15’s letter posted here and on JF.

But you’re right, it’s a statistical anomaly that even though the majority voted YES, I have only flown with one such pilot in the last 5 years.

 

I’d recommend against the reduced block. When we did the reduced we ended up keeping more people on the property but many of the junior people we saved proceeded to do draft and volunteer and prolonged our stay in reduced hours. We would have been better off with a furlough.

 

This is the point I was trying to make above. Some people bit the bullet and accepted reduced BLG and others picked up everything they could. Furthermore certain seats and certain bases didn't have reduced BLG. The new language is suppose to keep this from happening again I guess. Bottom line is some won and some lost it wasn't equal.

 

Can this happen? I was under the impression that once company flight block levels returned to specified gates, the BLG would return to contractual minimums. This would occur regardless of the actions of the crew force.