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Old 08-01-2021 | 08:48 AM
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A TA might as well be a CBA.
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Old 08-04-2021 | 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by HvypurplePylot

We paid an agent to buy the best car for us and they are doing their job. At the end they present us the car and we get to decide if we like it or still get a chance to refuse. If we refuse yes it’ll cost more because we gotta maintain the current car but we’ll always get choice in the one we want.
The problem is there is a loud mouth neighbor that says he knows what kinda car you want instead because he’s a car expert and tries to fire the agent before they have a chance to do their job.

If you paid an agent to get you the best deal possible on a new luxury car and you saw him shopping at Mike's Used Yugos, wouldn't that raise your eyebrows?




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Also the car dealer isn’t going to want to sell a car that is so terrible that future buyers will be turned away.

We have a serious pilot recruitment issue pending if we destroy our contract. Maybe some of you have been here too long listening to your own echo chamber. Do you really think FedEx is going to destroy our contract to save money on less than 1/100th of their employees and hurt their prospects of running an airline due to the lack of pilots?

Are you serious? You're relying on The Company to make sure we don't get a bad deal? That's the safety net that makes you comfortable?

FedEx doesn't just need pilots. FedEx needs employees at all levels. They've used incentives, and will continue to use incentives. During a recent weather event, hub employees were promised an extra hour of pay just for showing up to work on time. You know what they have NOT offered prospective employees as recruitment incentives? Our "A" Plan.

If that's what helps you sleep at night, knowing that The Company won't LET The Association screw it up so badly that pilots won't come here, then I'd say you have your sights aimed pretty doggone low. Pathetic, really.








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Old 08-04-2021 | 04:20 PM
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... if you think the car dealer is going to help get us the best deal on the best car, I know a guy who has some ocean front property in Arizona he would like to discuss with your agent.

Nope not the best car. But they aren't going to let us buy a terrible car.

Again, pathetic. Why do you think so little of us? As long as it's not terrible? Or, like my block rep said, "better than what [we] have now." That's the goal? Here, throw in a nickel -- that makes it better, right?



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Listen you and Tony know you are wanting what's best for the pilots. I get that. I respect the drive. But we are in a union. This is the playing field. It's the arrangement. We all signed up for collective bargaining.

I had a choice whether to join the union or not. Twice, actually, once for FPA, and one for ALPA. I joined because there was only one party in the process that was supposed to be advocating on my behalf, and that party was NOT FedEx Express. And here's the deal. I did NOT sign up for MEDIOCRITY. I signed up for EXCELLENCE.

Our collective bargaining agent should be advocating for every penny we're worth, and not a penny less. Nowhere does it say we have to settle for less than the best just because we are in a union. But I can guarantee that without a union, and without an effective agent working for a unified membership, there's no way we'll ever achieve the best. Right now the problem is the collective bargaining agent isn't listening to the membership, it is not negotiating in the best interest of the membership, and it has failed to inspire unity among the membership. That has to change.


Originally Posted by HvypurplePylot

You guys are ready for scorched Earth and we haven't even seen anything that warrants it.

Nobody wants scorched earth. We just want ... well, let me speak for myself ... I just want representatives who listen to their constituents and act on behalf of them, not in spite of them.



Originally Posted by HvypurplePylot

Do you honestly think FedEx will "destroy" our retirement? FedEx will make their gains with small QOL degradation and scheduling flexibility. They still need our retirement as a bedrock of our contract to attract talent. I can't believe you don't believe that.

Believe it. I think you're delusional if you don't think FedEx will destroy our retirement. In fact, the advocates of the variable benefit plans use that as a premise for their advocacy -- "We have to abandon the "A" Plan because The Company wants to get rid of it, they'll never improve it." They've repeated that line so many times that many people have begun to believe it. Unfortunately, repeating a lie does not make it the truth, even if you repeat it a lot.

The Company would love to freeze the "A" Plan and just beef up the "B" Plan, and that would be bad for us. Without our Collective Bargaining Agent fighting to improve our "A" Plan, it can never happen. The Company is not going to offer us more than we ask for.






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Old 08-04-2021 | 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Noworkallplay

I have a novel idea. Lets pass judgement when we actually have a TA. What a concept. Then if the majority like it we implement it. Thats how a group based union works.

It's not a novel idea (I doubt you're capable of forming such a thing, or of following a line of logic, for that matter), but it DOES wreak of Union leadership dismissing the membership's wishes while they, the "smart ones, the SMEs", do whatever they wish in spite of membership wishes. Shut up and color, we'll tell you when you get to talk.

It also seems like a great delay tactic, which The Company must love, because negotiations fatigue will undoubtedly persuade many to accept less than we deserve just to get it over with. Show me a 3% pay raise and I'll vote YES, right?

It's also an incredible waste of our dues. As fiduciaries, our representatives would be irresponsible to proceed down a path doomed to failure of a TA.


Originally Posted by Noworkallplay

Can someone please point me in the direction of any communication that says the union is looking at giving up our A plan? I will be waiting patiently for the link. I think what has been said time and time again is the union is looking at different A plan formulas to increase the value. Thats not giving up the A plan. Maybe I missed an email when that was stated so please someone send or post the link.

Yeah, I'd say you've missed a whole lot. The articles, messages, podcasts, videos ... the hubturn visits, the Joint Council Meetings, the small group lunches ... if you haven't gotten the message by now, you never will. No surprise.

By the way, be careful where you post from. IP addresses are logged, and you'd hate for a post to trace back to the Kirby offices.






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Old 08-04-2021 | 04:47 PM
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FDX 22 Council Meeting - Save the Date!


Date: Thursday, September 9, 2021
Time: 11:00 a.m.
Location: Germantown Center - Great Hall
1900 South Germantown Rd
Germantown, Tennessee 38138



Details to follow...






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Old 08-04-2021 | 05:30 PM
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Will the food truck have vegan options?
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Old 08-05-2021 | 06:31 AM
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Originally Posted by TonyC
Pathetic, really.
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Again, pathetic.....Right now the problem is the collective bargaining agent isn't listening to the membership, it is not negotiating in the best interest of the membership, and it has failed to inspire unity among the membership. That has to change.

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Wow.
Threatening members now. Yea you're all for unity.
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Old 08-05-2021 | 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by HvypurplePylot
Wow.
Threatening members now. Yea you're all for unity.
With your past comments, no one is worried about you being part of the united pilot group. We get it, you are ready to take whatever the company is going to offer us because the company will take care of us.
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Old 08-05-2021 | 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by HvypurplePylot
Wow.
Threatening members now. Yea you're all for unity.
What threat? Are you attached to Kirby and now worried that you are doing something wrong?
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Old 08-05-2021 | 08:27 PM
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Ok you guys win. Enjoy.
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