2023 Hiring/Basic Indoc
12-26-2022, 06:17 AM
#41
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Originally Posted by WearyEyed
I’ve already spoken to someone that came here a year ago who is now thinking he made the wrong decision. He’s already put in his apps with UA and DAL, and I’m certain he’s not the only one that has done so in the past few months. The general feeling of a weak/ineffective union and incompetent management that can’t manage snow events is to blame. The company thinks their stuff doesn’t stink but it reeks to high Heaven. Wall Street in unhappy with their poor performance and so are customers.
12-26-2022, 06:18 AM
#42
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Originally Posted by BertMacklinFBI
I’ve been here a little over 5 and it’s been on my mind. But the grass isn’t always greener. Or that’s what I tell myself to not dust off the applications.
12-26-2022, 06:49 AM
#44
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Originally Posted by threeighteen
It’s on us to make this place better. And that starts with accepting no concessions and clawing our work rules back.
I had an issue that I had communicated to the PAC and fleet management regarding with no real response other than “we will look into it.” I submitted a DART and the response was we are closing your dart because you’ve been in contact with management. I responded that the company had only said they’d look into it weeks ago with no resolution so I submitted the DART. The union response was, “we consider the matter closed.” Yeah… okay, thanks for having my back. 🤬 Months later it appears I’ve lost the pay that our contract/LOA clearly says I’m due. The company ghosted me and the union ignored me.
I can and will use my vote to try to change the union leadership, I can use my vote to say no to a contract that isn’t industry leading that has no concessions, I can mentor new hires to try to shape the future of the union/company, and I can run for an elected position. I will do what needs to be done, but for someone with little time here I wouldn’t blame them for not having the stomach for the work that needs to be done and the fight that has just begun.
12-26-2022, 07:14 AM
#45
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Originally Posted by WearyEyed
I couldn’t agree more, but for the newbs they don’t necessarily see much incentive to stay and fight when the union is all but saying they’ve already accepted concessions. Also when we bring up clear contract violations the union response is often “we agree with the company” or “we’ve got bigger fish to fry.” Company says fly it and the union says they won’t grieve it, so where does that leave the pilot?
I had an issue that I had communicated to the PAC and fleet management regarding with no real response other than “we will look into it.” I submitted a DART and the response was we are closing your dart because you’ve been in contact with management. I responded that the company had only said they’d look into it weeks ago with no resolution so I submitted the DART. The union response was, “we consider the matter closed.” Yeah… okay, thanks for having my back. 🤬 Months later it appears I’ve lost the pay that our contract/LOA clearly says I’m due. The company ghosted me and the union ignored me.
I can and will use my vote to try to change the union leadership, I can use my vote to say no to a contract that isn’t industry leading that has no concessions, I can mentor new hires to try to shape the future of the union/company, and I can run for an elected position. I will do what needs to be done, but for someone with little time here I wouldn’t blame them for not having the stomach for the work that needs to be done and the fight that has just begun.
I had an issue that I had communicated to the PAC and fleet management regarding with no real response other than “we will look into it.” I submitted a DART and the response was we are closing your dart because you’ve been in contact with management. I responded that the company had only said they’d look into it weeks ago with no resolution so I submitted the DART. The union response was, “we consider the matter closed.” Yeah… okay, thanks for having my back. 🤬 Months later it appears I’ve lost the pay that our contract/LOA clearly says I’m due. The company ghosted me and the union ignored me.
I can and will use my vote to try to change the union leadership, I can use my vote to say no to a contract that isn’t industry leading that has no concessions, I can mentor new hires to try to shape the future of the union/company, and I can run for an elected position. I will do what needs to be done, but for someone with little time here I wouldn’t blame them for not having the stomach for the work that needs to be done and the fight that has just begun.
12-26-2022, 07:35 AM
#46
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Originally Posted by WearyEyed
I couldn’t agree more, but for the newbs they don’t necessarily see much incentive to stay and fight when the union is all but saying they’ve already accepted concessions. Also when we bring up clear contract violations the union response is often “we agree with the company” or “we’ve got bigger fish to fry.” Company says fly it and the union says they won’t grieve it, so where does that leave the pilot?
I had an issue that I had communicated to the PAC and fleet management regarding with no real response other than “we will look into it.” I submitted a DART and the response was we are closing your dart because you’ve been in contact with management. I responded that the company had only said they’d look into it weeks ago with no resolution so I submitted the DART. The union response was, “we consider the matter closed.” Yeah… okay, thanks for having my back. 🤬 Months later it appears I’ve lost the pay that our contract/LOA clearly says I’m due. The company ghosted me and the union ignored me.
I can and will use my vote to try to change the union leadership, I can use my vote to say no to a contract that isn’t industry leading that has no concessions, I can mentor new hires to try to shape the future of the union/company, and I can run for an elected position. I will do what needs to be done, but for someone with little time here I wouldn’t blame them for not having the stomach for the work that needs to be done and the fight that has just begun.
I had an issue that I had communicated to the PAC and fleet management regarding with no real response other than “we will look into it.” I submitted a DART and the response was we are closing your dart because you’ve been in contact with management. I responded that the company had only said they’d look into it weeks ago with no resolution so I submitted the DART. The union response was, “we consider the matter closed.” Yeah… okay, thanks for having my back. 🤬 Months later it appears I’ve lost the pay that our contract/LOA clearly says I’m due. The company ghosted me and the union ignored me.
I can and will use my vote to try to change the union leadership, I can use my vote to say no to a contract that isn’t industry leading that has no concessions, I can mentor new hires to try to shape the future of the union/company, and I can run for an elected position. I will do what needs to be done, but for someone with little time here I wouldn’t blame them for not having the stomach for the work that needs to be done and the fight that has just begun.
12-26-2022, 07:35 AM
#47
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Originally Posted by threeighteen
agreed I don’t blame newhires for bailing instead of fighting if it makes sense for them. We have a long road ahead.
12-26-2022, 08:06 AM
#48
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As many times as I proofread my above post, I’d like to correct that I meant I can use my vote to say no on any TA that isn’t industry leading and that has concessions. I’m strongly of the opinion that there should be no concessions.
Additionally, my post was in response to
I would understand if recent hires bail, as it’s going to take a lot of intestinal fortitude to turn this place around.
Additionally, my post was in response to
Originally Posted by threeighteen
It’s on us to make this place better. And that starts with accepting no concessions and clawing our work rules back.
12-26-2022, 02:01 PM
#49
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Originally Posted by WearyEyed
I’ve already spoken to someone that came here a year ago who is now thinking he made the wrong decision. He’s already put in his apps with UA and DAL, and I’m certain he’s not the only one that has done so in the past few months. The general feeling of a weak/ineffective union and incompetent management that can’t manage snow events is to blame. The company thinks their stuff doesn’t stink but it reeks to high Heaven. Wall Street in unhappy with their poor performance and so are customers.
This place isn't what I thought it was going to be. I'm not saying it's all bad. We have plenty of good things but the stuff that we have that is bad is really really bad. Is the grass greener on the other side? No idea, but it sure is tempting to go find out. If I was in the pool and had a different job offer, I'd think twice about making the jump now. The luster wears off quickly.
12-27-2022, 05:53 AM
#50
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Rounding out six years and the thought to leave has crossed my mind as well. We’re oft reminded that the country is going into a recession. For us gen-x folks that lived through the lost decade, this strikes fear in our hearts. We spent the years at minimum wage in an RJ or on an Uncle Sam paid camping trip to Afghanistan. This time though the retirement’s are enormous and the generation that’s retiring is the second largest in human history. They’re going to travel. For the next decade or more they’re going to move. The stability the pax carriers offer is much greater than cargo. For us forty something’s, it doesn’t compute because it’s the exact opposite of the last twenty years. FedEx flying has some great things to be said about it, but our problems are real, systemic, and will take years to fix. If dealing with the flying public is holding you back, I’m super global platinum my crap don’t stink on one of the legacy carriers and I never see the pilots. They do their thing and bail. The pilots, union, and the company have serious work to do. Now that the crack pipe of draft has been taken away, the pilots seem to be the only one’s that care. The union dawdles and our management is held hostage by an activist on the board. We have a long way to go.
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