You should change your name to Unusual Ineptitude. What does this have to do with anything? So, what is your seat, date of hire, years until retirement, and last four of your first born? What a stupid question!

By my "methods," you think I want to leave ALPA? Put down the crack pipe. Stating that those of you who are complaining about what is included in our openers now should have been speaking up two years ago has nothing to do with anything except that you are now acting like Veruca Salt. Two years ago quite a few of you were extolling to virtues of being at FedEx and some were bragging about their pay on the salary survey.

 

The surveys were for focused negotiations. The negotiations have dragged on and the pilot market has changed drastically. At some point the openers going to have to be updated to the pilot groups changing goals.

 

this is true. The environment has changed. The concern for scope is real. Especially with this new “drive” network. Time to shore it up or we might be sorry we didn’t before we have the chance to….get them next time.

 

Bingo.

2 years ago is a long time. The industry is different now. The goal posts will need to be moved.

Sorry, retirement isn’t the only thing that’s important anymore. Lots of new blood with diverse backgrounds have joined our ranks in the last 2-3 years and they won’t accept some mediocre TA that’s full of concessions for the sake of “fixing” retirement.

 

I think you are seeing many talk about pay rates lately because the only things left to negotiate are compensation and duration. In any case, it doesn’t matter to me that delta has pbs or their vacation isn’t as good or they don’t have a pension. I feel that for what we do, especially compared to what delta (passenger airlines in general) do, we should have the best of everything because I feel we deserve/earned that. I hope you feel the same way. We deserve the best line bidding, best vacation, best retirement. So yeah, I expect delta and others to have pbs and no pension and not as good vacation. That makes sense to me. It doesn’t make sense for us to have the worse things they have because I believe that our job is more demanding in many ways.

I get that you don’t feel it’s a realistic position to want to change what we are asking for while in mediation. Let me ask you about a hypothetical though. What if whatever a TA says gets voted down. Would you then be for revisiting other items?

 

I think we should get DL +$10k in every seat, whatever that works out to be on rates it is. That’s $2500 for each of three family round trips plus $2500 for fun. Pretty simple logic I think.

 

You smell that Bill? Smells like a troll.

 

What is the typical delta international trip like?

 

For Europe, operate 1 leg over, overnight for 18-24ish hours. Operate return leg back. I've had Delta crews stare at me wide eyed when I tell them we have 3+ day layovers in CDG, CGN, STN, etc.

 

Seriously guys? You’re rationalizing why our jobs are easier than the pax haulers? Yeah, I’ve had multi-day layovers in cool places. I’ve also done an 18 hour double augmented day ANC-HKG-TPE. Quit making the company’s case for why we’re worth less than the pax haulers.