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Old 03-12-2019, 05:17 AM
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Originally Posted by nolav53 View Post
Has the relationship improved any with management since the new contract being signed? Money can definitely make a situation better, but if the same people are still calling the shots, its only a matter of time until they return back to their old ways. Also, has pilot morale improved any?
Very insightful take....

Regardless or perceived improvement with Mgt, it is exactly the same cast who weeks ago were cancelling vacations, firing probationary pilots, and holding disciplinary hearings for undefined ďexcessive absencesĒ, including FMLA and bereavement.

Iím sure the switch can be flipped back for any reason Scottsdale wishes.
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Old 03-12-2019, 07:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Prettywhacked1 View Post
Very insightful take....

Regardless or perceived improvement with Mgt, it is exactly the same cast who weeks ago were cancelling vacations, firing probationary pilots, and holding disciplinary hearings for undefined ďexcessive absencesĒ, including FMLA and bereavement.

Iím sure the switch can be flipped back for any reason Scottsdale wishes.
I agree with this take. The extra money smooths a few things over, but most things havenít changed. Our operational performance is abysmal and Iím already getting tired of reading memos and newsletters suggesting the pilots are sabotaging the operation and we need to come back into the fold and make it all better.

Iíve said it before, but this place feels like Mesa of 1999 with bigger planes and bigger paychecks.

Management hates us and will throw us to the wolves whenever it suits them. Management doesnít care about passengers because they keep coming back and the planes are full no matter how awful their F9 travel experience is.

Take the money. Fund your retirement. Pay off anything you owe money on. Be ready for the Company to throw you under the [Air]bus at any time. Derive your self worth, happiness, etc. from friends, family, hobbies, charitable activities, etc. and treat a Frontier the same way Frontier treats you.
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Old 03-12-2019, 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by OpenClimb View Post
I agree with this take. The extra money smooths a few things over, but most things havenít changed. Our operational performance is abysmal and Iím already getting tired of reading memos and newsletters suggesting the pilots are sabotaging the operation and we need to come back into the fold and make it all better.

Iíve said it before, but this place feels like Mesa of 1999 with bigger planes and bigger paychecks.

Management hates us and will throw us to the wolves whenever it suits them. Management doesnít care about passengers because they keep coming back and the planes are full no matter how awful their F9 travel experience is.

Take the money. Fund your retirement. Pay off anything you owe money on. Be ready for the Company to throw you under the [Air]bus at any time. Derive your self worth, happiness, etc. from friends, family, hobbies, charitable activities, etc. and treat a Frontier the same way Frontier treats you.
Perfectly said.
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Old 03-12-2019, 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by OpenClimb View Post
I agree with this take. The extra money smooths a few things over, but most things havenít changed. Our operational performance is abysmal and Iím already getting tired of reading memos and newsletters suggesting the pilots are sabotaging the operation and we need to come back into the fold and make it all better.

Iíve said it before, but this place feels like Mesa of 1999 with bigger planes and bigger paychecks.

Management hates us and will throw us to the wolves whenever it suits them. Management doesnít care about passengers because they keep coming back and the planes are full no matter how awful their F9 travel experience is.

Take the money. Fund your retirement. Pay off anything you owe money on. Be ready for the Company to throw you under the [Air]bus at any time. Derive your self worth, happiness, etc. from friends, family, hobbies, charitable activities, etc. and treat a Frontier the same way Frontier treats you.
Open nailed this......
As Iíve heard many say, until we have a Mgt change, open warfare on the pilot group as an option is always just below the surface of seemingly smooth waters........
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Old 03-12-2019, 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Prettywhacked1 View Post
Open nailed this......
As Iíve heard many say, until we have a Mgt change, open warfare on the pilot group as an option is always just below the surface of seemingly smooth waters........
Well, I and most of the people I fly with are very happy. Thatís my take.
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Old 03-12-2019, 11:56 AM
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If I can go to work, get to do what I love, enjoy the people Iím around, and have a nice paycheck that clears and supports my families needs, thatís all I can really ask for in a JOB.
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The company is not being hostile to the pilots at this time.

They probably won't be until the next round of negotiations
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Old 03-12-2019, 01:53 PM
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Waters are calm right now, however sharks do lurk under calm waters.
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Regarding the April class shift... I heard, (can someone corroborate?), that because of slight overstaffing they decided to do a class of ~20 instead of 36 and moved the difference to the later class, ...wait for it... with pay! Could this really be true? Good for you guys that are impacted, if it is true.
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Old 03-12-2019, 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by CGLimits View Post
Well, I and most of the people I fly with are very happy. Thatís my take.
I agree, hopefully they take care of the flight attendants soon...
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