Hiring / training
05-05-2019, 07:19 AM
#451
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Training dept told me that the slow down in hiring is a result of Airbus delivery delays. Apparently CFM can't produce engines fast enough.
I think the slowdown might have less to do with the contract and guys picking up open time and more to do with Airbus falling behind.
I think the slowdown might have less to do with the contract and guys picking up open time and more to do with Airbus falling behind.
05-05-2019, 10:12 AM
#452
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Originally Posted by Aero1900
Training dept told me that the slow down in hiring is a result of Airbus delivery delays. Apparently CFM can't produce engines fast enough.
I think the slowdown might have less to do with the contract and guys picking up open time and more to do with Airbus falling behind.
I think the slowdown might have less to do with the contract and guys picking up open time and more to do with Airbus falling behind.
I could be wrong though, and often am just ask my wife.
05-05-2019, 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Aero1900
Training dept told me that the slow down in hiring is a result of Airbus delivery delays. Apparently CFM can't produce engines fast enough.
I think the slowdown might have less to do with the contract and guys picking up open time and more to do with Airbus falling behind.
I think the slowdown might have less to do with the contract and guys picking up open time and more to do with Airbus falling behind.
05-08-2019, 05:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Wheelswatch
Well the memo in comply directly referenced increase efficiencies in pairings, adding of PHL efficiencies, and pilots picking up opentime. Not that what they say has truth.
However, I'm willing to bet we start running classes again well before the winter.
Welcome to the new guys who just started this month.
05-08-2019, 06:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Aero1900
Right. And I'm guessing that's only part of the story. I can't possibly imagine that we could go from needing to hire over 300 pilots this year to stopping hiring until the winter from just efficiencies alone.
However, I'm willing to bet we start running classes again well before the winter.
Welcome to the new guys who just started this month.
However, I'm willing to bet we start running classes again well before the winter.
Welcome to the new guys who just started this month.
05-08-2019, 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Wheelswatch
I hope so. And this isn't meant to be a snotty no voter comment... But I do worry, if they can truly run this place with way less than they thought, they really did get us cheap.
Also, there's the question of what's best for the pilot group? Is it better to hire more pilots and fly less, or have fewer total pilots, but have more efficient schedules and get paid more?
05-08-2019, 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Aero1900
I agree, we should question if this contract really adds that much in the way of crew efficiencies? I think the 5 hour average per day is forcing them to focus more on pairing productivity. But, I also think that people are more motivated to pick up open time now.
Also, there's the question of what's best for the pilot group? Is it better to hire more pilots and fly less, or have fewer total pilots, but have more efficient schedules and get paid more?
Also, there's the question of what's best for the pilot group? Is it better to hire more pilots and fly less, or have fewer total pilots, but have more efficient schedules and get paid more?
Whether we're better off flying less, or making more money per pilot with less pilots ( which are subjective preferences and strategies for a company/union to employ ) the aggregate pilot labor cost paid per seat mile IS AN OBJECTIVE NUMBER. This number, whatever it proves to be in the long run, will either have them laughing their asses off at us during their private parties, or respecting our negotiating abilities. The number is either inline with what the market will bear, or it is well below. Right now, in light of the fact that we suddenly need less pilots than they projected, I think it's the latter.
Our deal is done. I accept it. But we need to have open minds on both sides to learn for the future.
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