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Old 08-08-2024 | 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by WingKong
BB comment during Q2 call "Pilots and flight attendants, we've got too many of them"

Tells you exactly where their heads are at....
It's kinda true - for now.

The eb and flow of passenger demand.

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Old 08-08-2024 | 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by WingKong
BB comment during Q2 call "Pilots and flight attendants, we've got too many of them"

Tells you exactly where their heads are at....
"...in the short term, and we look forward to growing into it..."

Play the long game, not the short game.
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Old 08-08-2024 | 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by BoilerWings
"...in the short term, and we look forward to growing into it..."

Play the long game, not the short game.
The “long game” would’ve been getting hired at a legacy in l21/22/23 and riding the wave of inevitable retirements.

But, that’s none of my business.
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Old 08-08-2024 | 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by APCHCLIMB
The “long game” would’ve been getting hired at a legacy in l21/22/23 and riding the wave of inevitable retirements.

But, that’s none of my business.
cool you started flying in 2018 and made a legacy when apps basically came with your CJO attached.

You provide negative value, if I were a mod you'd be banned yesterday. Go away.
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Old 08-08-2024 | 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by APCHCLIMB
The “long game” would’ve been getting hired at a legacy in l21/22/23 and riding the wave of inevitable retirements.

But, that’s none of my business.

Agree with you but some didn’t have that opportunity. Is what it is. Timing is everything with a bit of luck.
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Old 08-08-2024 | 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by LifetimeCFI
cool you started flying in 2018 and made a legacy when apps basically came with your CJO attached.

You provide negative value, if I were a mod you'd be banned yesterday. Go away.
Hey, bro. Even the 9/11 conspirators were offered a plea deal.

so I think you can forgive me for making fun of your precious ULCC.
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Old 08-08-2024 | 01:11 PM
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My hope for a new contract has reached an all time low.

Frontier is currently operating with a 0% margin for the second year in a row, so it's unlikely we'll secure a contract any time soon. The company simply doesn't have any money to offer. If we were to get the $200 million in contract gains we're aiming for, it would potentially push the company out of business.

I guess if you want a career contract it’s time to start looking outside this airline.
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Old 08-08-2024 | 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Planedrive
My hope for a new contract has reached an all time low.

Frontier is currently operating with a 0% margin for the second year in a row, so it's unlikely we'll secure a contract any time soon. The company simply doesn't have any money to offer. If we were to get the $200 million in contract gains we're aiming for, it would potentially push the company out of business.

I guess if you want a career contract it’s time to start looking outside this airline.
Dont forget they are still quoting a 5-10% full year margin for next year. That’s ~$200-$400M. Also, just imagine how much money Frontier would have made had the operation been just halfway better. Don’t let them make us pay for their failures.
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Old 08-08-2024 | 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Stayontarget
Dont forget they are still quoting a 5-10% full year margin for next year. That’s ~$200-$400M. Also, just imagine how much money Frontier would have made had the operation been just halfway better. Don’t let them make us pay for their failures.
This. This airline is a mess and there are LITTLE things that could be fixed and they aren't. WE should not be hindered from being compensated fairly for our services just because the company wants to keep trying to save money.

Why do people dislike us? Our performance and customer service.

What affects our performance? Lack of gates (they get rid of them in DEN... no idea why), lack of customer service, and lack of rampers.

This airline is a money printing machine but there are such SMALL things that could be done, that seemingly never get fixed. The pilots and flight attendants hold this place together and without us doing what we can to help and going above and beyond, everything would be way worse than it is now. People get on our aircraft and say its a completely different environment compared to the gate agents or customer service.
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Old 08-08-2024 | 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Planedrive
My hope for a new contract has reached an all time low.

Frontier is currently operating with a 0% margin for the second year in a row, so it's unlikely we'll secure a contract any time soon. The company simply doesn't have any money to offer. If we were to get the $200 million in contract gains we're aiming for, it would potentially push the company out of business.

I guess if you want a career contract it’s time to start looking outside this airline.
Wait, wait, wait...

Since when has it been the EMPLOYEE'S responsibility the company makes a profit? Does McDonald's hold the fries guy responsible?

If you do your job then the profit making is the responsibility of someone way above you in the chain. If they can't do it, they should be replaced. OTHER AIRLINE CEO's found a way - why can't ours. Barry Biffle made $6M last year and that's with him selling declining value stocks (which is his primary compensation).

Please, for the love of all things good, don't ever think your worth is tied to the ability of the company.
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